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 Posted: Tue Sep 18th, 2018 04:43 pm
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liewe wereld maar die dr is weer besig.!!!!
te veel joints lyk dit vir my.

the big thing is, is that it will lead to other stuff!!!
more serious stuff and that does cost more money.

this will lead to crime.

yes it does have a medicinal value, if used correctly.

but, when you on a high and decide to drive and you cause the death of another person....what now?

neewat, sal maar moet sien.
as my kind dit wil try in my huis......dan het hy sopas uitgetrek sonder die gee van kennis.

in the old days, we pulled out thousands of plants.
caught plenty distributers.
etc.

atr least now, the price will tumble...grow your own shyte.
smoke your own shyte.
and stay home, when doing so.

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I am all for individual rights
What happens when someone is intoxicated with any substance taken themselves and they commit an atrocity against someone else - My view is that it should count to make such actions worse!! The main problem with the loss of morality is because society now values individual rights above society rights.

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The morality of telling someone else what to do based on your own beliefs is very murky. We have just lived in a country where it was considered normal for many years. It is not normal. Go overseas to a free country and people will be shocked if you tell someone what to smoke or wear or how to have their hair or what god to follow based on what we would believe to be true. In any case our laws grant us more freedoms than they do overseas. Time for recognition of that. Beliefs are just that, beliefs..not truths or fact or anything like that, the time that others who do not yet realize that, can enforce their beliefs over others who believe something different is coming to a close. After that all the only avenue we have to effect or force our belief on others is civilized debate, how nice. The rule of law and letter has prevailed.

LOL willem when and if your son smokes in your home you can still bliksem him behind the ears as it is your home and you make the rules there..

If he does choose to though now he can get it by his own hands and not have to meet gangsters or dodgy people or get exposed to hard drugs through the process which is one of the big problems with illegal weed. Now he does not have to deal with dealers that will push hard drugs onto him is the main win. And he will be far more likely to do it in a safe environment in someones home. Win as far as reality is concerned. For the millions of township kids, they can now get a smoke when older without getting exposed to whonga(smack) or meth which are the real evils..for example. Fact is most kids experiment, harm reduction is the key..education is the key. Drugs for the most part dont help any situaion. But then again sometimes they can be great tools for understanding or counseling. Sometimes they can lead to great k@k. Othertimes like the beer I am having now they can just be great to unwind. Anyway it is ones own personal choice now officially. I am freinds with old policemen and now I can be frank and smoke in front of them in my home, before I would not before out of respect..Although i'd ask them first if they minded out of respect. I have never hid the fact that I smoke ever.. I have multiple medical reasons and enjoy it and have not felt ashamed for a long long time.

Better to be do none at all though, no beer, no ciggies, no spliff etc..

 But if I choose to it is my choice..sometimes a spliff is great and sometimes a beer goes down like a house on fire..life is like that? Like a great coffee in the morning..Like some of lifes richest moments get created out of a pot of rich morning brew..but best to be a monk and do nothing agreed..but then even they make their own hooch and have a mantra and use it to climb mountains in ritual..Life must have a little spice..otherwise it is too bland.. Even William Shakespear had a little doobie in his pipe, the archeology has shown that.. ;)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/william-shakespeare/11792533/Cannabis-discovered-in-tobacco-pipes-found-in-William-Shakespeares-garden.html

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Until personal choice impacts others, and that really is what Willem is highlighting. I've not met a smoker who does not smoke and drive, or at the very least they are the minority. As for the kid who wants a joint, chances are he will still be hiding the fact that he is smoking from the folks, same as cigarettes, and will thus still be purchasing his weed. I can't see this taking the gangster out of the equation, especially with regards to the youth, perhaps for those who have been smoking for years. Medicinal - no problem, but lets facebit that is the small market.

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Like your personal choice impacting me? You not get that?

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Why should your personal choice to NOT smoke as an adult affect my choice to smoke as an adult? That has far worse implications for society and is the basis of modern freedom. The opposite is when you start eroding personal freedoms you quickly end up in a fascist regime. Been proven over time and again..In germany..here..etc..

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Imagine a non beer drinker running arounf thinking he can tell other beer drinkers not to drink beers..
Preposterous
.Except beer is more harmful that cannabis. Been proven over and over and over and so over..It is just like it has seemed normal to act the fool and walk over peoples rights unless you were aware of it in which case you were more likely to have your rights walked apon..

But ja..imagine if one of the kind and gentle muslim brothers on here was telling us about how we must be locked up for drinking beer and that beer must be illegal because he had a problem with beer once. That would be absurd. But it has been happening everyday with the weed. Even with folks like me who have healed their own cancer and helped others..getting harrassed. Thank god it is over, I might plant a seed tomorrow.. Get that CBD only cutting someone promised me.. For day time smoke to get work done and not have fits and not get stoned, win win..I can treat myself now and get a lab to test and see what I am taking..great.

If you choose not to smoke I am completely OK with that..If you choose to not agree with the 'erb that's great too, that is the whole point of freedom of choice, that is the the fight that has been fought, and now won. Now everyone can believe what they want and not be bothered, either way. Civil like.

It is not for everyone..If you don't smoke don't start. Like ciggies. If you have epilepsy and are tired of the side effects of the meds..light up. My fits never came back except one time when I was not stoned and had a few beers and was on playstation. If you drink beer or don't hey thats your thing..I also enjoy a pint.

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neewat, die koel is deur die kerk!
dwars deur en ergste is, hyt niks getref nie.
dis waar,, William Shakespeare did smoke weed too, and the bugger also wrote a bunch of shyte non can understand.

this is common knowledge, so, did he write the shyte when he was on aaap twak?

must have been!!!

willem wikkel spies is the Afrikaans for William shakespear…. but I don't smoke weed....I just write a bunch of nonsense, without having had a aaptwak.

sterkte en geniet hom.
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Nee wat ek weet jy rook nie..We can agree to disagree LOL..was just teasing you because of your name :)

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ek raad te dronk nou om meer to skryf so n' ander tyd..n goeie dag dit was!

The memes on twitter about cape town, durbs and jozies and also the rastas on the steps of court were hilarious..

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hay De-wetch....como vai vc rapaiz?

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willem wikkel spies wrote: neewat, die koel is deur die kerk! dwars deur en ergste is, hyt niks getref nie. dis waar,, William Shakespeare did smoke weed too, and the bugger also wrote a bunch of shyte non can understand. this is common knowledge, so, did he write the shyte when he was on aaap twak? must have been!!! willem wikkel spies is the Afrikaans for William shakespear…. but I don't smoke weed....I just write a bunch of nonsense, without having had a aaptwak. sterkte en geniet hom. as hy vir jou werk, dan werk hy…...


rerig ja...die koel is in die kerk se ***!::tight:

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Just read the full judgement..the judge pretty much summed it up so nicely..said all I did in much better words..even quoted a case on privacy that basically said if you can have porn in your home and I disagree, whos to say I can't smoke dobbie if you disagree and went on to say that that is the basis of a healthy democratic country and I fully agree!

Its not like my muslim buddies lecture me on my beer or whiskey drinking..and i don't lecture them on religion, and they don't lecture me and I call them over when the fish are biting and we allhave fun together and slowly we edge closer to a civil society..Today I thank the highest court in the land for standing up for the common man!

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Also went on to say that it is recognised even in old literature as being used topically in cancer and that you dont get high from bathing in it and that the amount for personal consumption is not limited. And by chance I was lucky enough to be given a whole lot of oil that I do bath in for skin cancer and now there is nothing that can be done about where as before I had to deal with people trying to lock me up for bathing in a plant oil LOL which is actually ridiculous but till today the kind of crap i'd have to deal with. which I always said I was going to do defiently and so was given oil for free to do so as the universe goes so I could be the example as I have no shame when it comes to my cannabis use and used to smoke in front of the station when younger and post the constitutional law on the window with the sections that the court ruled on today underlined..so I feel great today. I was right all along.eventually I found lawyers to listen to my side it was only a matter of time till cancer hit.. So nice now that all those nice and kind people that helped me in the illegal past with free weed and free oil so I could get it to cancer patients for free can't get thrown in jail for their kindness in the face of jail. So nice. I'm going to soak in a big bath with oil tonight just to celebrate..its anti inflammatory effect in the bath or rubbed in is profound and on par with NSAI like ibuprofin or a transact patch or something..ask me I suffer from a bad back/knees/ankle/hips..all out..sometimes I cant get out of bed from pain and I am young still but if I rub the stuff on my muscles it works wonders..or bath in it..eish now we are talking..

Was just on saturday that my freinds dad came to me and said, look! its gone..and then ran off and got a lump of himself that was lying on the bedside table that his body had ejected. It was the big cancer lump on his forehead that had fallen off..I held it in my hand the other evening..and then..ja.. then..was quite a crazy night..my neighbor can now grow his own in peace, he cooks it into coconut oil and baths in it and his skin cancer is getting better and better..For skin cancers the stuff is unreal..for other cancers I'd start of non trippy medical mushrooms first.. anyways night folks..more is nog n dag..

For those that dont want to get high and want the health benefits, you can now grow at home any potent strain and then juice it and then you won't get high but get full benefit..Must be live juiced then it wont get to the brain but will get to the body..That is the other major bonus of this judgement is for all the non drug use, non stoners that want the health benefits. They can now do it in peace. Juice the live plant then the THC is of a form that wont get you high. Not everyone wants to get high that that is the whole point in that everyone has the choice to do what they like in the privacy of their own home so long that you are not affecting others. The research that it helps prevent certain cancers is beyond doubt, but there is more to it, some mushrooms are more effective, all together is most but there is circumstance and diet and and and.. I am lucky, the skin cancer I affected by, my first was chopped out when I was 10 or 11, seems to get nailed by the THC..I also take reishi mushroom but have the last cancer was by my tear duct so I could not rub the oil on. I had no choice but to ingest a gram a day by smoke or vape of oil which I did and the cancer disappeared before my eye ;).. I mean what judge is going to argue with that?

Hey this was my post 1969! Summer of love baby!

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The Water Bearer (Aquarius) ...brings Fresh sustenance to all.

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Psy wrote:
hay De-wetch....como vai vc rapaiz?

:)


Todo! Como vai contigo! Eu...so no Congo amigo!

And now "blare" is legal bro!

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What does any of this have to do with fishing??

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Abré wrote:
What does any of this have to do with fishing??


If you view the "section" or heading under which this topic was posted.... you will note that it's called the 'LOUNGE' open discussion, non fishing included, I would suggest you, read the rules and get a grip, looks like you are NEW here??... best you follow the trend... Thanks, BTW: It's so much better to fish and relax next to the water after you had a "skyf" or 2? :welcomesea::welcomesea::welcomesea::welcomesea:

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This judgement makes things a little tricky for employers enforcing their substance abuse policy.

The Occupational Health and Safety act demands that an employer must ensure that the workplace is safe. This includes making sure that nobody operates dangerous machinery whilest inebriated.

Please note this include abuse of prescription medication as well, any substance that will cause a person to be in an altered state of mind.

The problem for employers becomes the monitoring / testing part with dagga.

Dagga can stay in a persons system for up to 2 weeks, this obviously does not mean that after consumption, 2 weeks later the individul is still stoned. However the drug is still present in his or her system and when conducting a urine or saliva test, a positive result will be indicated.

According to most substance abuse policies in place this will result in the employee being prevented from entering the work place. The employer will be well within their right to institute disciplinary action against the employee, as with an inebriating substance being present in their systems they effectively place all employees in their workplace at risk.

The only true way to effectively monitor the level of cannabis or THC in your system is to conduct a spectrophotometric test, which at current prices costs around R2000 per test.

So this is going to make things very difficult for employers at the moment.

Labour and law enforcement are going to have to come up with answers very quickly.

The other issue away from work is will one get prosecuted for driving stoned and what level of THC in your blood stream would constitute an offence to be on the road

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This judgement makes things a little tricky for employers enforcing their substance abuse policy.

The Occupational Health and Safety act demands that an employer must ensure that the workplace is safe. This includes making sure that nobody operates dangerous machinery whilest inebriated.

Please note this include abuse of prescription medication as well, any substance that will cause a person to be in an altered state of mind.

The problem for employers becomes the monitoring / testing part with dagga.




Dagga can stay in a persons system for up to 2 weeks, this obviously does not mean that after consumption, 2 weeks later the individula is still stoned. However the drug is still present in his or her system and when conducting a urine or saliva test, a positive result will be indicated.

According to most substance abuse policys in place this will result in the employee being prevented from entering the work place or be placed. The employer will be well within their right to institute disciplinary action against the employee, as due to an inebriating substance being present in their systems they effectively place all employees in their workplace at risk.

The only true way to effectively monitor the level of cannabis or THC in your system is to conduct a spectrophotometric test, which at current prices costs around R2000 per test.

So this is going to make things very difficult for employers at the moment.



Consider this, some okes smokes 1 x joint and they are F&&&K out of their skulls - then heads to the couch with the remote and a packet of chips, some chockies and a 2ltr sprite, now... this goofball is toast for the next few hours, and lazy another fellow smokes 4 x joints a day, drives to work, perform well at work, family man blah blah... That's the difference, now for the non smokers it's like this, John can drink 15 beers and remains in control of himself... mannered etc, now Peter drinks 5 black labels and takes on the crowd, throws over tables etc....LOL.. complicated!

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