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 Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2018 04:29 pm
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Hi Guys.
Know this has been discussed alot.
My Q's:
  • Trace line diameter?
  • Size hook?
  • Rod / reel combo?
  • Bait?
Currently have the following setup?:Shimano TLD15/30S Reel spooled with 0.45mm lineShimano Exage 110 Heavy (Multiplier Version)
Will this setup handle a cracker?
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2018 07:55 pm
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good topic, although if you search you can find tons of info on it, but since october is not far away and is supposed to be when "kraker season" starts maybe we can start a fresh discussion, and hopefully the pros like SPARRA can give input.

Also if you check the 2018 gallie thread you will see some krakers were caught and the details of the catches and maybe get info from there.

i've only ever caught one kraker since i started fishing a few years ago, and that was in april this year, i went for a one day trip to struiss, ended up fishing sunrise at suiderstrand with the water dropping, but with no success, moved to another set of rocks for the push since vleisbank(i think thats the name) gets completely covered during high tide, and is a bit risky fishing the push, so fishing the push with the water still low and could get to some rocks deeper in, casted out a fresh redbait bomb with some vrot prawn, normally the prawn is fresh and redbait vrot but we messed up with te prawn, casted and waited, got a nibble but just left the bait in, and sat on the rock about 20 min passed and decided to reel in and felt i was on with something which turned out to be a gallie a about 37cm, rebaited again fresh redbait vrot prawn bomb again using 1/0 J hook, wasnt even 5 min in and my rod dipped line coming off reel, i start tightening my drag  but the line keeps coming off so i locked the drag and lifted my rod up, once i felt him lift his head a little i reeled in and gave him no chance but every time i felt the rod dip, never saw the fish till he got to my feet, eventually landed  him with help of a friend, measured at 60cm, just size!.(thats my size 12 boot next to the fish for the guys not able to find a standard brick to measure the fish :fbash).

tackle i used was the old model xmaster 20, and 13ft adrenalin hmg, reel had .47 double x with .7 leader, hook was 1/0 J that hook him right in the bottom lip, i think there was no way i was landing him if it was caught somewhere in his mouth, hook snoot about 40 cm with sinker snoot about 60 cm, sliding trace.
im still a noob at fishing especially for kraker but hope this helps, ::tight:

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 Posted: Tue Sep 4th, 2018 05:47 pm
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Gr8, thanks for the info.

Will a Shimano Speedmaster or TLD20/40S be a balanced reel with the Shimano Exage 110 Heavy?

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 Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2018 10:54 am
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hi Mr Fisha.

I have the same rod with and sl30 instead of the shimano 20/40. I have hooked a mussel craker, but it's really tough to turn the fish's head with the rod due to the amount of flex the rod allow... when i hooked the fish, i locked my drag and the fish still managed to pull enough distance to get me cut off by a rock simply because the rod flexed so much...

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 Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2018 07:45 pm
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Thanks for the feedback... So a 14ft rod will be more applicable for Cracker?

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 Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2018 07:48 am
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Hey Mr Fisha i see responses are slow. Probably because the topic was discussed numerous times.

I speak from a EC perspective. The above mentioned tackle is too light. This is not a fish to "enjoy the fight" on the lighter tackle. To put it in perspective - the cracker fisherman around here fish with 0.55 or 0.6mm mainline and 14ft poles. There is no time to play around with these beasts. Sure, you can land a big cracker on gallie tackle if you are lucky and everything falls into place.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2018 04:39 pm
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Ja been discussed at length, and again..and again..haha

You need decent mainline, .55 to .60..I fish .50 sometimes scratching for gallies with the cracker in between. Rod must just have good backbone, it is up to your technique to land the fish. I've landed 30lb+ gamefish on an exage 110h which pull MUCH harder than a cracker so the rod should be fine..The only fish I could not stop on my exage was a gulley shark that was stupid big..Was more a limit of the drag of the sl50sh..I use a xmaster 40 pro or a grandwave or a sl50sh, depending on whats on the rod I grab. That reel a knockoff of the TLD star I think with upgraded drag and these days mostly using my allrounder shimano beastmaster 12ft light to target them (4-5oz but perfect with a 5oz and small bait) ..How you stop the fish is more about turning his head and pumping and winding little pumps to keep him moving in the direction you want, for the most part with any decent rod. Also control but not to agitate the fish, don't go to hard and piss him off and make him dive headfirst into the reef, treat him like a dog on a leash, firm and assertive but not hard and he will come in..with a 14ft the physics of the leverage is NOT in your favour but in the fishes, the only thing helping you is the stiff backbone or the ability to cast very far but the cracker feeds at your feet as much as out there? We use 10ft rods for gamefish from the shore..and 5-6ft rods for tuna on the boat, short rod puts leverage in your favour, needs to have a backbone stiff enough to puuuull and long enough to cast to where you need..Leader .8mm to 1mm and hook must be strong, 4/0 to 8/0 or bigger to match the bait..

Release the big ones please, their stock is not in bad shape and the fish can make a real comeback if we look after the breeders. In places with little fishing pressure, the crackers are mal and one of our best and most accessible sportfishes. If it was like that all over it would be a real win for SA fishing.

Been good cracker this winter and extra big gallies..Damn been releasing most of my fish as most have been breeding stock..last cracker I ate was last year and I love them, but I am careful about the size of the ones I keep. Still eating gamefish like katonkel and chokka from summer luckily!

Bait has been discussed tooo much, but honestly buy one of nickie louwrens' books or the other great bait guides around..they show you all the presentations. I've caught all my fish this season on redbait while trying for gallies or black mussel trying to get a blacktail so go figure?!

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It's about knowing the area/spot you're fishing also. One does not need shark tackle to land them. Couples of guys landing them on grinders & braid these days. I myself have landed a few on 30lb & 40lb braid. Just keep its head up & you should land it.

One of mine caught on 40lb braid

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This one on 30lb

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Nice fish there Hassan (ni(ce(fish)( ! Especially on the gear! Any idea about the one on the 30lb line, that is a very good catch on the floss.

One of my favourite fish to catch and very resident so I am careful about what I keep from the spots I fish..Lots and lots of babies in the rockpools this year, they had a very good spawn the last 2 years..This year saw more baby crackers than kolsterte in the rockpools so put the big ones back fellas and your secret spots will get better and better..

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O.55 line o.80 leader with a trace not longer than 25cm , strong hooks ,swivvels and so on .
The fight of a cracker is like no other!

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Nice fish there Hassan (ni(ce(fish)( ! Especially on the gear! Any idea about the one on the 30lb line, that is a very good catch on the floss.

One of my favourite fish to catch and very resident so I am careful about what I keep from the spots I fish..Lots and lots of babies in the rockpools this year, they had a very good spawn the last 2 years..This year saw more baby crackers than kolsterte in the rockpools so put the big ones back fellas and your secret spots will get better and better..


Was caught on armadillo. Tackle used was Waft Pirate Surf, Azores 65 loaded with 30lb braid with 80lb braid leader and about a meter and half of 1mm nylon. If I remember correctly it was around 74cm but felt more like 8kg.

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Thanks for the info. Will the following be a 'okayish' setup?:
Reel: Shimano Speedmaster IV
Line: 0.50 T-Line
Leader-line: 1.mm T-Line leader
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Should work..you gotta figure out where and what and how now..:)

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My golden rule....

If a mussel cracker can grow to 30kg then fish with tackle that will land a 30kg Cracker. I feel a 110H is a bit short.

Don't mess around with them. They will either reef you. Break your rod. Bend hook. Strip your drag on the first take off. Survive this and he is yours.

I've caught a few on the 20kg plus mark. They are awesome for the first 10mins.

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Although not the biggest. A fish this size will hammer you!!

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Good luck and hope to see a pic or 2 when you get him!

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MrFisha wrote:
Thanks for the info. Will the following be a 'okayish' setup?:
Reel: Shimano Speedmaster IV
Line: 0.50 T-Line
Leader-line: 1.mm T-Line leader
Rod: 14ft Rod


Perfect!

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Thanks guys for all the feedback this far. Very informative. :)

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some more info about baits, if you havent already come across it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckp2hjhJcUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1f6KJDI08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcrcJKJC7s

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