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 Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2018 01:18 pm
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Buchi,

Vertel ons almal asseblief bietjie meer oor jou. Jy is obviously passievol oor inheemse vis en is vinnig om mense aan te vat wat nie dieselfde siening as jy het nie.

Wat doen JY om die inheemse spesies van Suid Afrika te bewaar? Hoe is JY betrokke behalwe om die bass (waarvoor jy nie hengel nie, want dit is n ewel) te verwyder van ons damme?

Die kurper waarvoor jy so lief is en hard baklei is maar een van 52 spesies varswater visse in ons land, en is in 'Near threatened' klas, wat beteken hulle is eintlik nog oraait.

Kyk maar na die lys van varswater spesies wat op die lys is, jou passie vir inheemse visse is ongelukkig gerig op die verkeerde spesies: http://www.fishthesea.co.za/fwfish/endangeredspecies.htm

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 Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2018 01:33 pm
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Jip Dr. in your own words "I waste my time picking up rubbish rather and also lobbying those in power and positions of public influence to save stocks and protect waters".

If you can't beat 'em join 'em. How lame you are. I refuse to be associated with this lame mindset and will continue cleaning up and do my bit. At least I can say I tried.

Enough said.

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I pick up rubbish and try to make changes where it counts..that is the point.

Notice how nuclear is off the table in southern cape, there is a big lobby of people against it including business folks, law people and us plebs..offshore gas exploration on hold etc..how you can go and fish in public places where you were stopped before because it is your right? Now if we can just get slot limits to be implemented, some ar trying and we could not get the trekking stopped but believe me legal avenues were explored. ;) I try make a small difference where it might actually count, seems the point went over your head haha..Making a difference and believing one is, are not the same thing..

There have been countless threads in the past where for example, carp fishermen are imploring those fishing certain waters to cull fish and then reports of fishing improving after the culling or a pollution or related event causing a die off and the fishing improving dramatically thereafter..Environment, food availability..these all play a part in fish stocks, aside from our hand and often the way to improve a stock is to do a controlled cull. I guess you just don't get it. I'm not even a bass fisherman, but I know enough to know how passionate they are and I'm just pointing out that thinking that shouting at them to cull bass, is in anyway going to eliminate bass from any system, is absurd?! Completely absurd..sorry for pointing out reality to you..

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Dewald Posthumus wrote: Buchi,

Vertel ons almal assbelief bietjie meer oor jou. Jy is obviously passievol oor inheemse vis en is vinnig om mense aan te vat wat nie dieselfde siening as jy het nie.

Wat doen JY om die inheemse spesies van Suid Afrika te bewaar? Hoe is JY betrokke behalwe om die bass (waarvoor jy nie hengel nie, want dit is n ewel) te verwyder van ons damme?

Die kurper waarvoor jy so lief is en hard baklei is maar een van 52 spesies varswater visse in ons land, en is in 'Near threatened' klas, wat beteken hulle is eintlik nog oraait.

Kyk maar na die lys van varswater spesies wat op die lys is, jou passie vir inheemse visse is ongelukkig gerig op die verkeerde spesies: http://www.fishthesea.co.za/fwfish/endangeredspecies.htm


Exactly, most of those you could attribute to smallmouth bass, one or two to trout..Buchi have you ever seen a smallmouth in real life? I never did in my years north of the vaal. Some of those fish you can attribute directly to development. Water abstraction and agri and industry runoff, now we are talking. Some waters you will never get rid of the bass like the berg and breede rivers as the systems are too vast and complex and one could not rotenone. Some are used for agri and municipal water and you can't rotenone. Some waters the bass just end up being bait for the tigerfish and barbel and the local minnows get chowed enough that the bass make no difference and the little fish in that system don't appear on the list.

On the otherhand, other small isolated systems could be cleared out and conserved, agreements could be had between bass fishing associations and nature conservation to accept bass in some waters and clear out these other small waters as conservation areas. I believe one water has been cleared already. To think that you will get rid of bass in SA entirely ever hahaha..share what you smoking please..
At best some sort of compromise could be reached.

And then after that you can get rid of the carp, grass carp, bluegills..good luck with that conservation strategy, your grandkids will still be trying to finish the job!

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Dr. my point exactly,

Read the part about the Cape Whitefish and it's potential fight against Buchi's beloved Blue kurper... ;)

"In Brandvlei Dam, where the barb's population is most healthy, the African Catfish (Clarias gariepinus) is spreading; its impact on B. andrewi will need to be assessed. The Common Carp (Cyprinus carpio) and Mozambique Tilapia (Oreochromis mossambicus), introduced for aquaculture, are competing with the Cape Whitefish for food. Water pollution is also a problem."

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Dewald Posthumus wrote: Buchi,

Vertel ons almal assbelief bietjie meer oor jou. Jy is obviously passievol oor inheemse vis en is vinnig om mense aan te vat wat nie dieselfde siening as jy het nie.

Wat doen JY om die inheemse spesies van Suid Afrika te bewaar? Hoe is JY betrokke behalwe om die bass (waarvoor jy nie hengel nie, want dit is n ewel) te verwyder van ons damme?

Die kurper waarvoor jy so lief is en hard baklei is maar een van 52 spesies varswater visse in ons land, en is in 'Near threatened' klas, wat beteken hulle is eintlik nog oraait.

Kyk maar na die lys van varswater spesies wat op die lys is, jou passie vir inheemse visse is ongelukkig gerig op die verkeerde spesies: http://www.fishthesea.co.za/fwfish/endangeredspecies.htm
Jy is heeltemal verkeerd as jy die woord oraait gebruik as jy praat van ons kurpers en die bewoording van "nearly threatened" moes al 'n ruk gelede afgegradeer geword het na "critically endangered" volgens menigte kenners.  Ek dink nie dit is belangrik dat ek vir mense hoef te vertel van wat ek doen nie, glo my ek doen my deel waar ek kan en is by baie dinge betrokke.  Maar net om vir jou een voorbeeld te noem.  Ek het 'n ruk terug vir National Geographic gekontak om 'n moontlike program te kom maak oor ons bedreigde Grootbekgeelvis (Labeobarbus Kimberleyensis) aangesien dit ons grootste inheems varswaterspesie is en al die gevare wat dit in die gesig staar sodat daar hopelik bewusmaking kan plaasvind onder mense en die regering en die belangrikheid rakende bewaring.  Ongelukkig het die aanbieder vir my gesê dat dit nie in sy hande is nie maar dat hy sal probeer om op ander maniere die boodskap uit te kry en onthou ons lewe in Afrika.  Ek het kontak gemaak met menigte kenners en hengelaars op die gebied om bydrae te lewer.  Ongelukkig is dit nie so eenvoudig nie.  So ja ek doen my deel en is by 'n klomp dinge betrokke, as baie mense en hengelaars net wil erken watse probleme sekere vis veroorsaak kan daar meer van ons kant af gedoen word op grondvlak om te kan help. Dit is ongelukkig so dat jy as individue nie by alles betrokke kan wees nie maar daar waar ek kan help en my deel kan doen, doen ek dit.

Ek dink nie ek is vinnig om enige iemand aan te vat nie ek vertel maar net dit wat die realiteite is.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2018 03:55 pm
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Yup, my points in the last few posts :)
They would have to exist, there is a prime example..There is a whole bigger picture. Cape kurper and galaxias also are threatened by mainly development and pollution but carp, barbel, kurper, bluegills and bass affect them. The bass are the least of their worries, the biggest kurper I've seen in my life were outside of their natural range in the cape, eating marine worms and fending off leervis and cob and the resident bass were the least of their worries. I used to watch them in spring while leerie fishing in the vleis on the the spawnbeds with not a care in the world fending off all manner of large fish, it is the sediment and the small egg eaters that are their real threat. But that said, it is not their native range and they are a threat to the local galaxias and cape kurper which is related to a siamese fighter distantly.

I'm more worried about the redfins and other minnow than I am about the kurper..and catching smallmouth and trout in those systems and culling them will not remove the fish ever, well proven it will favour the stock of the culled species as large breeders will survive the cull at a higher percentage and have lots of food left with no competition and they will spawn proper with healthy eggs and a larger percentage of genetically superior fish than normal..it is what it is whether you ignore the science or not. Carp and bass fishermen will sometimes go and cull a water to IMPROVE the fishing. Get your head around that and you might get the point.

As far as I know the biggest threat to the kurper in the wild is pollution and cross breeding with the nile kurper that has escaped from fishfarming operations..Focus there rather and make a bigger difference to the species.

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Dit is die waarheid julle, as 'n vis nie in sy natuurlike habitat voorkom nie sal dit altyd 'n bedreiging vir enige plaaslike vis wees.  Die Kaap en Oranjerivier is nie die natuurlik verspreidingsgebied van ons Inheemse Bloukurper nie en dit is verkeerdelik daarheen geneem. Daar sal kompetisie wees tussen spesies vir kos vir leefruimte ens.  Vang die kurpers en gaan eet dit by die huis.

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Here is a great conservation video named Fins in the Fynbos: https://youtu.be/pIE6xSAFsq0

And again, as mentioned before Rontenone was used to clean up a stretch of the river at a cost of R4m, this is the ONLY way to eradicate alien species in a water system.

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Ja no hard feelings haha

My vriende doen dit..eet die kurpers I mean..




http://www.fosaf.org.za/report-east-free-state.php

Read the latest report on yellowfish fishing there..now tell me if bass is the big threat..?
"Conservation minded" fishermen with no clue..and gillnets seem to be the issue there?

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The Cape kurper is threatened by introduced fish especially the largemouth bass, smallmouth bass and spotted bass, which have been introduced into many of the waters where the Cape kurper occurs. (The bass least of their worries Mr. Hoffmann)

Jy droom seker.

Kaapse Witvis

The main threat is the introduced smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu), which has killed off the stocks of the fish in the Berg River Watershed by eating juveniles.

Rooivlerkies

Apart from overuse of the rivers water, the main threats are the introduced rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) and smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu).


Clanwilliam Saagvin

This species is considered Endangered by the IUCN, as it has declined much between the 1930s and 1970s. This seems to have been mainly due to the introduced smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu), which can kill off entire subpopulation by eating the juveniles. Clanwilliam Yellowfish (Labeobarbus capensis) might be regarded as a competitor for food, but this is apparently not significant.


Julle wil maar net eenvoudig nie aanvaar dat baars 'n impak het  op al ons vis nie.  En julle aanvaar maar net te maklik dat niks gedoen kan word nie of is dit eerder omdat julle niks wil doen nie.


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Niemand stry met jou daaroor nie, almal probeer net vir jou verduidelik dat swartbaars nie die alfa en omega van vernietiging van inheemse spesies vis is nie, maar n hele klomp ander faktore ook n rol speel. Die metode wat jy voorstel om hulle uit te wis sal ongelukkig niks aan die probleem doen nie. So probeer elke persoon op hulle EIE manier (en nie joune nie), hulle deel doen vir bewaring, maar onglukkig laat jou oogklappe dit nie toe om dit raak te sien nie.

Die een ding wat jy wel bereik het is om genoeg mense te irriteer en meer bewus te maak van bewaring, well done daarvoor! ;)

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after a number of years bass fishing i still blank a few times and if you or anyone asks how many times, i'd reply, too many.
fish are smart too, seen that hook too many times, sometimes i actually think they know its weekend and they will think before the suns up "Buchi is here today so better i ....."
blue kurper are notoriously hard to catch, change your tactics, move around, fish deeper. promise you they there.

btw, great post guys, as always, legend responses _seal1_

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Sien jy hou ook van emoticons, maak twee van ons.  Lyk my julle het was in julle ore want julle kan nie hoor nie of julle is blind, hoeveel keer het ek nie al gesê dat daar ander faktore is wat 'n rol speel op die vernietiging van AL ons vis nie, ek is die eerste een wat daarmee saamstem.  Maar julle baarshengelaars kan en wil nie insien dat Baars 'n MOERSE GROOT impak op ons plaaslike vis het nie.  Daar staan dit voor jou, hulle sê wat is die grootse gevare op van ons inheemse spesies (baars) maar weereens ontken die baarshengelaar dit.  Ek het nie gesê ek stel 'n spesifieke metode voor nie ek het gesê haal die vis uit as jy dit vang, met stok,met net,met handlyn enige iets.  Jy is maar ongelooflik sensitief as jy sê ek irriteer jou, ek dink nie dit is omdat ek jou irriteer nie maar eerder omdat ek geldige punte het en julle dit nie kan hanteer dat ek dit noem nie.  Ek dink julle het oogklappe vir dit wat  die feite is, ek het nog nie eenkeer gesien dat enige baars ou gesê het "baars is 'n groot probleem in ons waters" nee hulle vermy om dit te sê.  Laat ek die vraag omdraai wat doen jy vir bewaring mnr ?

I rest my case.

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Net n regstelling, ek is nie n baars hengelaar nie, dit is vervelig.

Ek verkies soutwater hengel bo enige ander vorm van hengel en as ek regtig moet varswater hengel, sal ek ook veel eerder n kurper gaan soek met ligtegerei.

Ek doen net mooi boggerol vir bewaring...en dit was die rede hoekom ek jou gevra het om meer te vertel oor jou agtergrond met bewaring, jy is natuurlik passievol daaroor en ek dink dit is fantasties, maar die ding is, hoe meer ek oplees oor die probleem van inheemse visse in ander lande ook, kom alles op dieselfde ding neer, die regering moet sulke inisiatiewe dryf. Dit kos ongelooflik baie geld en het mense nodig wat voltyds die werk doen van bewaring. Om 'n paar duisend hengelaars bewus te maak van die probleem is 'n goeie begin, maar dit gaan niks aan die probleem doen nie.

Kom ek stel dit so, aangesien ek boggerol doen vir bewaring, ek is die eerste persoon wat n waterlek in my area aanmeld om reggemaak toe word, ek is die persoon wat nie verby n papier of vullis by n dam sal loop sonder om dit op te tel nie, en ook die persoon wat my kinders leer om na ons natuurlewe om te sien.

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Beste sou wees as daar 'n manier was om baars wat mens terug gooi op 'n manier onvrugbaar kon maak.

Kompetisie vir broeimaats en broeiplek sal bly, nageslag sal al hoe minder word, kompetisie vir kos al hoe minder en baarse al hoe minder, maar groter word.


Dan is almal gelukkig?

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Goeie voorbeeld vir jou kinders.  Dit is absoluut vieslik om te sien hoe lyk van ons oewers langs die waters vol gemors.  Duidelik is opvoeding belangrik soos in jou geval net jammer almal dink nie so nie as jy sien hoe party mense mors.

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@ Buchi, good luck in eradicating bass from all dams and rivers in SA ::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:::hippy1:

Everyone, just go fish, whether it's kurper or bass ((r(e(ling

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Mana: 
Hi Guys

I think this thread is done. when we fight each other like only south africans can do. Insult and deny. ( damn we are a great group arent we)

Well I for one understand and feel buccis frustration. Im also a pasionate beliver that fish that belongs in a system belongs. doesnt matter if they are kurper or three spot barbs. And i will try to do my part regarding that.

Bucci used bass as a example, and if you take your time and just read the whole thread you will see that he did also agree that bass is not the only problem. and that Kurper is not his only concern.

I for one agreed that bass would not be eradicated and also agree that the systems where bass is present the fishing would just get better. Prime example is if you have bass and carp together in a dam the general size of the carp will increase. but the genaral population will decrease. WHY you may ask. Make the sum. =Better fishing for the specimen Carp fisherman.

Do the reverse of that sum and start to take out small Bass. Less pressure on our indigenios fish stocks. And the bass lunker you always wanted to catch might become a reality.

We can talk about picking up rubbish next to a dam or on the beach. Did you know that some dams whole bottom stuckture start to change when you introduce a certain specie of fish. The underwater enviroment Changes to suite that species. (Now lets talk about polution try and clean up that mess). So what have you done to stop that? DENY DENY DENY Yes JZ.

So take a step back and Think before you ink. we are all part of this together and if we all dont do our part. we may as well go and cull all remaining Rhino and replace them with donkeys and tell our children they are Rhino.

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Malboer::slr::

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