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 Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2017 06:22 pm
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After all the positive reviews,I have finally decided to get a Daiwa BG.

Which casts better and further - the 6500 or 8000?

How do they perform as long casting reels when compared to the Gosas and the Slammers?

Thanks in advance for your responses.::slr::

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 Posted: Wed Jul 12th, 2017 07:09 am
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Hi sakn


I have a BG6500 and it casts fantastic.
My friend also has the 8000 and performs just as good.

For distance it will be mostly up to the rod you are pairing with it and the type of bait you going to gooi.


Unfortunately I do not own a Gosa or Slammer so cant comment but they also don't belong in the same price bracket so should do abit better.

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Casting is 80% based on your style of casting, line lay of your line and kind of rod you pairing your reel with.

Loading and releasing a sinker. I'ts not so much reel dependant.
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Big Ben - There is a lot of merit in what you say but most of the reviews of the Daiwa BG refer to the reel as an excellent boat reel and not specifically designed for long distance casting like the Shimanos (Sustain, Stradic, Spheros, Gosa all were mentioned).

Hence my question about its casting ability when compared to other models, all other factors being the same.

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Hi sakn


I have a BG6500 and it casts fantastic.
My friend also has the 8000 and performs just as good.

For distance it will be mostly up to the rod you are pairing with it and the type of bait you going to gooi.


Unfortunately I do not own a Gosa or Slammer so cant comment but they also don't belong in the same price bracket so should do abit better.

::tight:


Thank you Foose.

Do you think the deeper spool of the 8000 will affect the casting either way and would it require a longer first guide on the rod?

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Hi sakn


I have a BG6500 and it casts fantastic.
My friend also has the 8000 and performs just as good.

For distance it will be mostly up to the rod you are pairing with it and the type of bait you going to gooi.


Unfortunately I do not own a Gosa or Slammer so cant comment but they also don't belong in the same price bracket so should do abit better.

::tight:


Thank you Foose.

Do you think the deeper spool of the 8000 will affect the casting either way and would it require a longer first guide on the rod?


I believe that your casting will generally improve if the first eye on the rod is set higher up especially with the bigger grinders. The spool on the 8000 is obviously wider so it will have an effect. I will be getting a 8000 soon to use with my 13.6 Metaloid and believe the casting distance will remain the same as with the 6500.

Only reason I'm getting the 8000 is for better capacity to target larger in eds.

What rod are you planning on using with the reel?

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Thanks Foose.

This will be my first venture into proper grinder fishing with bait - old school multiplier guy.

The only spinning rods I have are the Aerocast 11'7" and Penn Legion 13". I may get away with Penn for now, but I am looking at the Makaira 14'6".

I am getting a good deal from a small dealer for the reel so I am investing the savings in the rod.

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The BG 6500 and 8000 are the same reel body and drag stack. In other words the spools are interchangeable.

The only difference would be the sizes of the spool giving the 8000 the lead on line capacity.
In my opinion if you wanted more distance go with the 6500 spool as its diameter is smaller compared to the already huge spool size of the 8000 which due to its size alone would mean that your first eye would need to be on taller stand-offs from the rod with a bigger eye otherwise you will get line slap.

I have the 8000 as it was the first models that came into South Africa but would of preferred the 6500 for cast ability as when I paired the 8000 to my 10 foot Shimano Spinning the braid slapped against the rod unfortunately meaning I would need to modify the first eye.

The 6500/8000 BG are heavy duty reels, you can catch Tuna on these things, although anything above 50Kg is going to take you a long time and you should be using other tackle in any case, but for a lark it can be fun to hook a beast. I landed a 60Kg Yellowfin on the 8000 last year but the water depth was no more than 80 meters, not once was there any danger of running out of line. The fish took an hour and a half and the reel did the job nicely, but in reality I would not like to do that too often. A beast below 50Kg would be my preference.

For sheer cast ability the 4500/5000 would be better, but then you would have less line capacity and only 3 drag washers instead of the 6500/8000 which has 5 drag washers.

I own both, the 5000 and 8000 but will probably only use the 8000 for Tuna. Its just too heavy to cast all day long for Yellowtail which is my main focus. That 8000 reel is huge and while it would be fine for most medium to smaller class Tuna, in my opinion when you start with the above 50Kg Tunas then you should be using different tackle anyway.

By comparison, the 5000 is about the size of an 8000 Shimano and the 8000 is about the size of a 14000 Shimano.

In my opinion Alan Hawk should also do reviews of the 4500/5000 BG and some of the smaller models too. Not everyone is needed a huge 8000 BG reel size

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sakn wrote:
Thanks Foose.

This will be my first venture into proper grinder fishing with bait - old school multiplier guy.

The only spinning rods I have are the Aerocast 11'7" and Penn Legion 13". I may get away with Penn for now, but I am looking at the Makaira 14'6".

I am getting a good deal from a small dealer for the reel so I am investing the savings in the rod.


Makaira is going to be a great rod to pair with it for sure! Biggest I have caught on my setup so far is a 78kg bronzie and rod and reel handled it perfectly without a sweat.
Enjoy it !

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 Posted: Mon Jul 17th, 2017 08:32 am
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The 8000 casts like a bomb with the Legion.

Beautiful reel - I really mean good looking!. Also solid and smooth.

Can't wait for the Makaira to arrive so I can throw heavier weights.

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BTTB wrote:
The BG 6500 and 8000 are the same reel body and drag stack. In other words the spools are interchangeable.

The only difference would be the sizes of the spool giving the 8000 the lead on line capacity.
In my opinion if you wanted more distance go with the 6500 spool as its diameter is smaller compared to the already huge spool size of the 8000 which due to its size alone would mean that your first eye would need to be on taller stand-offs from the rod with a bigger eye otherwise you will get line slap.

I have the 8000 as it was the first models that came into South Africa but would of preferred the 6500 for cast ability as when I paired the 8000 to my 10 foot Shimano Spinning the braid slapped against the rod unfortunately meaning I would need to modify the first eye.

The 6500/8000 BG are heavy duty reels, you can catch Tuna on these things, although anything above 50Kg is going to take you a long time and you should be using other tackle in any case, but for a lark it can be fun to hook a beast. I landed a 60Kg Yellowfin on the 8000 last year but the water depth was no more than 80 meters, not once was there any danger of running out of line. The fish took an hour and a half and the reel did the job nicely, but in reality I would not like to do that too often. A beast below 50Kg would be my preference.

For sheer cast ability the 4500/5000 would be better, but then you would have less line capacity and only 3 drag washers instead of the 6500/8000 which has 5 drag washers.

I own both, the 5000 and 8000 but will probably only use the 8000 for Tuna. Its just too heavy to cast all day long for Yellowtail which is my main focus. That 8000 reel is huge and while it would be fine for most medium to smaller class Tuna, in my opinion when you start with the above 50Kg Tunas then you should be using different tackle anyway.

By comparison, the 5000 is about the size of an 8000 Shimano and the 8000 is about the size of a 14000 Shimano.

In my opinion Alan Hawk should also do reviews of the 4500/5000 BG and some of the smaller models too. Not everyone is needed a huge 8000 BG reel size


BTTB,

Nice review. I am on the border now of crossing the threshold myself and getting a grinder for a kraantz rod. Judging by your review, would you say the 5000 is a good match to a shimano Exage and is performing well in distance and power? Just lastly, what braid Lbs are you spooling on and how much you roughly getting....Thanks in advance.

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grootvis wrote: BTTB,

Nice review. I am on the border now of crossing the threshold myself and getting a grinder for a kraantz rod. Judging by your review, would you say the 5000 is a good match to a shimano Exage and is performing well in distance and power? Just lastly, what braid Lbs are you spooling on and how much you roughly getting....Thanks in advance.
Hi Grootvis. Wasn't really a review but thanks. :-)

My go to reel at the moment is the 5000 on the 10 foot Exage. Its well balanced and not too heavy for me, however some of my fellow anglers use lighter rods and reels and think my setup is too heavy to cast all day.
I use 300 meters of 40lb 8 strand JDB (0.27mm) with backing braid and 8 meters of 80lb JDB leader braid stitched to the front and in my personal experience its the most durable and strongest braid I have used so far and have done many trips from the rocks and boat and its still going, quite amazing actually.

Bambooskollie rebuilt one of my 110H rods for spinning. It casts beautifully with the 5000 and you can also use the 8000 on it due to the higher first eye, but that 8000 and 110H spinning combo gets very heavy after continuous use. Perhaps a good braid choice for the 6500/8000 might be the 50lb 8 strand JDB. I have 65lb 832 on it at present. The 110H / 8000BG combo is a good backup for when things get heated!

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What length rod would you guys pair the BG 6500 with when fishing for edibles in the surf (not fishing on rocks)? 13ft or 14ft? And is there any rods you can maybe recommend that's round about R1000.

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JeandlH wrote: What length rod would you guys pair the BG 6500 with when fishing for edibles in the surf (not fishing on rocks)? 13ft or 14ft? And is there any rods you can maybe recommend that's round about R1000.Can't offer any advice on that length rod.

Question: If you are only fishing for edibles why the BG6500? Unless you are targeting Tuna or very large Yellowtail then the 4500/5000 BG is more than enough.
The BG6500/8000 is big and heavy.

If you are going to also use it for inedibles then fine.

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