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 Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2017 09:06 am
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I have caught with boilies, tigernuts and pop-ups. But I cannot even remember one bite when having a snowman rig in the water. Does it just take longer to produce a bite than the other presentations?

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 Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2017 01:35 pm
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I think keeping a bait as natural as posible is the aim for Targeting BIG CARP. I am not absolutely certain why it would take so long for a carp to feed on a snowman preseted bait, perhaps it looks un-natural to them or all the fish have become wary of the rig because they have all been caught on it. The more experienced anglers say carp have good memories and tend to become more skitish the more they are caught on the same baits. They begin associating danger to them.

I am still very junior at the BIG CARP fishing strategy.... In a nutshell it's basically all about fooling a fish into eating a meal even if it does not look like the real thing. I am going to keep my plan as simple and hopefully effective as possible.

Our overseas carp fishing fraternity have probably taught us a he'll of a lot when it comes to rigs and presentation. I think in certain ways they have their merits and in others not.

I am enjoying the thinking out of the box theory it just makes it all a little more exciting.

Between you and I and the rest of the crowd I myself thought this snowman thing looks a bit out of place??
Maybe there could be someone on the forum that could inform us a little more.

Cheerz

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 Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2017 01:52 pm
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Yes, I hope more people chime in_seal1_

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 Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2017 04:55 am
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Which rig do you use it with?I use it on a blowback rig with a straight longshank hook.I normally start every session with 3 different presentations.A heavy bottom bait on one rod,balanced/snowman on the next rod and a pop-up on the third.I find the snowman/balanced bait is usually picked up first,I have caught thousands of carp with it.Just a word of advise here,the rig mechanics for every presentation is very important,they are all different.Make sure you use the right rig for every presentation.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2017 05:54 am
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Hi Beeslek.
I use Mugga and Korda Krank hooks almost exclusively. I have thought about getting long shank hooks to make a blow-back rig. But I do make a blow-back rig with the Mugga's. My problem is not the hooks, but the lack of bites :)

Then, also the ever remaining problem of crabs... yesterday, even my rod with tiger nuts lying 70 meters deep were not left alone. I could see the activity, and hoped it was the mother of all carps, but it was just the mother of all crabs!
I did see they are leaving my pop-ups alone though.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2017 03:40 pm
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I don't think a curve shank hook works correctly with the blowback rig,so I have never used it that way.Straight longshank nails them every time,so I see no need to experiment.Also remember that bait size has to be balanced with hook size.I always use large hooks,size 2 and 4.My snowman is a 20mm bottom bait and a 16mm pop-up.I also use a small section of shrink tubing curved over the hook eye,and a fair sized piece of tungsten putty about 50mm from the hook eye,on the hooklink.Both those additions help the hook flip and turn into the bottom lip.Hooklink length is between 20-25 cm,coated braid,20mm soft section nearest the hook.From my experience,all of these elements have to be perfect,otherwise the rig doesn't work correctly.

Regarding the crabs,I would have lost my temper long ago and moved to another venue.That lake must at least have a 70lber in it to convince me to stay.Nothing else is worth so much aggravation.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2017 05:14 pm
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May I ask what is the average size of carp you catch on that big snowman rig? What is the smallest carp you have caught on this 20mm/16mm rig? It seems I just give up to quickly. I cannot change the venue as our family owns this spot. We fish there every weekend so I must just make the most of it.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2017 05:33 pm
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Bait size does not determine the size of the fish that picks it up.I have caught carp of up to 15,86 kg on a snowman,but I've also caught 3 kg carp on double 24mm bottom baits.A lot of other factors come into play,such as the ave fish size in the venue,tactics,bait placement,pre-baiting etc.

Regarding the crabs,best advice I can give is to feed a lot around your hookbait/rig.I mostly fish a spicy fishmeal bait,and one venue I fish has plenty crabs.I tend to put at least 1kg bait around every rig,spread out over a 2m radius.It seems they grab one bait and chew on it for a long time,they never really bother me.I remember one trip where they destroyed anything of the bottom,I could not fish pop-ups or snowmans.They left bottom baits alone.That venue contains lots of big fish,they eat the crabs.We have seen them crapping out the shells on the unhooking mat.But if they chew off your mainline in the margins,there in not much you can do.

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3kg carp on double 24mm baits! I would have never believed it if I heard it somewhere else:beer

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 Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2017 10:02 pm
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Mana: 
Good info here. Thanks guys.

As far as bait presentations are concerned any size fish is possible. We just don't know what size we gonna catch.


Cheers

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 Posted: Fri Mar 24th, 2017 08:57 am
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Mana: 
Hi Beeslek.
It really sounds like you know what you are doing.
Am I out of line to ask for a photo showing your favorite pop-up rig presentation? I basically want to snow if your hook is still on the bottom, or is it a centimeter or two from the bottom?

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 Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2017 10:56 am
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I have caught a few carp,but I call myself a tech retard,I don't know how to add pics on here.But to answer your question,my favourite pop-up rig is the hinged stiff rig.When you tie it,you will notice that the shortest you can make the hook section is about 20mm,so that means your hook will be that far off the bottom.Pop-up rigs are usually most effective over a wide spread of boilies,because the fish have to move some distance between each bait.I normally fish boilies only,this rig has given me best results about 50mm off the bottom,over a wide spread of boilies.I have fished it a bit higher,about 75mm,but not had great results.If you want to fish a low pop-up,your best option is probably a multi rig.I have never needed to use it,the hinged stiff rig is just too good.I have never used a chod rig either.

Just a little word of advice,pop-up rigs are not quite so effective if you fish particles.Because of the smaller food items,they tend to move much slower with their nose buried in the bottom,hoovering up the small seeds etc.So a pop-up rig tends to be ignored.This is where a snowman with a small hook and bait can be very effective,something like a single tiger/peanut/maize with a piece of bouyant plastic or foam.You need a fine presentation to match the fine feed items.

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To add a photo , say what you want to, choose a file, options will open to ask from where to you want to select the file for example camera or galaxy. Make your selection and the photo will automatically be uploaded to your post.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 3rd, 2017 03:48 pm
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Quick update about this subject.I fished a 36 hr session this weekend,caught 11 carp and 4 barbel.13 fish on a 20/16 snowman rig,only 2 on bottom baits,0 on pop-ups.All rigs were fished on a clean sand bottom,inline lead arrangement.

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There are hundreds of issues regarding it, but as a rule of thumb for myself:

Better in a controlled/ boilie-conditioned venue, as it is a very 'obvious' bait, and therefor great in above-mentioned situation, otherwise it looks suspicious so why bother.

Because simple bottom natural offering is simpler and more effective, and if you going critical due to dirty bottom then a chod or super critical cork drilled boilie is much better.

If you do go snowman, use a tiny super hard popup, like little cell from mainline or fusion baits from werner, as you want most buoyancy for smallest size.

Although if popup is same color as bottom bait I will use it anytime, multicolor vibe looks great but im still to see a monster taking it for me.. 

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