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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:02 pm
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Hi all fellow sealiners,
My dad and i recently bought a secondhand 17ft Navarone with a 75 hp yamaha. Our aim, to upgrade out of the semi rigid scene and into and into some proper fishing capability, space and sea-keeping ability. The biggest jobs im guessing is going from single to dual installation engine setup, re-painting/gelcoating the deck and overhauling all the old wood, which is what the layout is made of at the moment. The hull has recently been resprayed so that already looks good but another slight issue is that the previous owner foam filled the boat himself and and ended up drilling holes straight through the deck with a holesaw to try spread the foam evenly and didnt do a very neat job and some of the holes werent even resealed closed. I will be doing all the work myself where possible and outside help only where necessary. I hope you guys find it interesting to follow and I might need your help and opinions along the way.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:12 pm
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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:21 pm
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Does anyone know how resistant to water the foam is that's used to fill boats. Because I opened the inspection hatch and it was wet underneath, because he'd filled the foam right up to the brim that the hatch wouldn't seal off properly... The top layer of foam was a little damp but when I dug into it, it seamed dry underneath. Here below are the holes that were never sealed after. Luckily I don't think the boat was used very much so they weren't exposed to too much water.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:23 pm
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Motor and transom...

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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:26 pm
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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:29 pm
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All this wood needs to be scrapped, and I want to change the seating arrangement from lengthways to across. We are thinking of ordering a prefab seat and backrest from stingray marine.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 07:31 pm
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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 08:15 pm
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Although the Navarone in original ski boat conformation is a very nice hull, I personally would sell this baby and buy a good second hand boat that is seaworthy and ready to go. In the long run it will work out cheaper and safer.

If you do not have the original documentation of the boat(manufacturers, buoyancy, COF etc. etc.) that is where the first headaches start, nevermind all the money it will cost you to refurbish and then get it seaworthy etc. etc.

What does the rest look like underneath all that foam? More rotten wood that has now been covered up? What foam was used? The foaming effort does not look very professional!

The paint job outside looks nice but that does not make the boat float and safe for offshore use.


Not sure what you guy's have budgeted for this project but there are a lot of good secondhand boats out there at good prices ready to go.

I don't want to sound negative or put you off but this can turn into a black hole very quickly!

I wish you luck and hope it all works out for you guy's as intended.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 11:49 pm
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Hi IWyk, you bring up some interesting points, the buoyancy cert. and the cof werent all that convincing. The boat definitely has a lot of of work to do as well. But the hull and deck are in really good shape its just the the homemade seats and console and wood pieces here and there that are really bad but they are easily removed replaced. I dont actually know what foam he used but im pretty sure it was the usual two parts mix, expanding foam. The thing is im very keen on this refurb job because i have the time and im studying boat design so i think it would be good to get my hands dirty and do some practical work. My plan for those unsealed holes is to fill, laminate over and then paint/gelcoat depending on where it is.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2016 08:48 am
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I would suggest you find out the legal requirements regarding the foam and the buoyancy. My understanding is you cannot do this yourself. You need the original buoyancy certificate if all is in original state. If not(what yours is) you need a registered boat builder to do it. There are also regulations regarding the foam used. Sondor foam for example is one of the better ones that get used.

They will not accept backyard foaming jobs as this is a safety critical issue with boats. There may be other ways or short cuts but regarding the foaming and buoyancy certificates but this is not recommended.

I am not a boat builder or refurbisher but I would strongly recommend that you have this cleared up before you start on the deck and top structure work as you may well have to re-do the foaming job and then it becomes costly.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2017 07:26 pm
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Quick test run to see what's what!?

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Nice Alex - more pics ?

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Here's another unfortunately I didn't take any of her while running. I've been hearing so many stories of people buying secondhand boats with water logged foam and rotten wood bulkheads which is what a lot of these older ski boats are made of. This is go me a bit worried on whether or not I need to take a look at what's below the deck?? How do I kno the hull is sealed, and that I'm not getting water in somewhere everytime I put her in the water?

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Looking at motors, the other question to ask is whether to go two brand new 40 Yamaha XWL's (which might be a bit under gunned) for 98k or two secondhand 60's for 40-60k, with a possibility of buying someone else's problems!?

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Here's another unfortunately I didn't take any of her while running. I've been hearing so many stories of people buying secondhand boats with water logged foam and rotten wood bulkheads which is what a lot of these older ski boats are made of. This is go me a bit worried on whether or not I need to take a look at what's below the deck?? How do I kno the hull is sealed, and that I'm not getting water in somewhere everytime I put her in the water?

Alex , all these older monohulls had bottles for flotation

when there was water in hull after a days use it would drain via the bung hole. Then some clever okes decided foam is the new best thing since sliced bread and a industry of boat gutting started,
Your boat looks like it has a keel strip and that is a 90% chance water will get in there drop by drop and go sit in the foam - I had a coastcraft that went from bottles to foam and had this issue

I have a internal mould for bulk heads and stringers that should fit your hull as its also 16,6 and very similar to a AceCraft

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The way we do the flotation on the new boats is a sort of hybrid between foam and bottles , the 3 side compartments
gets foam glassed in , the middle compartments where your keelstrip runs are either glassed half round and left open for fuel hatch and fish hatch and aft gets bottles so that water can drain via the bung.

No wood - No rot , and any water can drain out the arse

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As far as motors go , if that 75 is a good runner keep it and ad a 15hp 4stroke kicker motor , you van pick them up for anywhere between R15-20k 2nd hand or R38k ish new .

you will fish cape waters with very little fuel

if you really want to go fancy I also have the deck moulding for the Adventure version of the Ace Craft excluding boxes and consoles

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Hi BFC, thanks so much for your professional input! There is a lot of food for thought there.
Yes sadly I think the safe bet is to do a complete overhaul of whats under the deck, the possibility of waterlogged wooden bulkheads and foam are all too good.
Wow that idea with the bulkheads above the keel strip being filled with bottles instead of foam is a clever one.

On the matter of engines we have our minds set on dual installation. The 75 just feels a little bit undergunned, and it doesnt have t/t which is a pain, also not being able to trim the boat while running is another thing that I find really necessary.

YES! Those bulkheads look perfect I might be placing an order soon. So if I want to cut the deck out to access below, where would you go from? From where the deck meets the gunnel? And then I assume the foam will have stuck to the botttom, how would you crack it loose? I also want to do it so I can still re-use the deck as a whole piece because its still in good condition. Just need to gelcoat and re-do the non-skid.

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Last bay run before she goes in.

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