Why can't all the sizes just be standardized?

Barbelman

New member
If I can explain by example. I bought Berkley and Docks no 8 swivels online, therefore could not view them before buying. I reasoned they will be approximately the same size. But I cannot believe the difference in size, the Docks must weigh at least three times more, if I can explain the difference in size like this. Yet both are sold as size 8.... It just messes around us buyers. Can the manufacturers not come to some sort of gentleman's agreement? It would cut out so much confusion.
 

Enigma

Moderator
They are standardised.

The Berkley is standardised for USA and Australian market and are spinning swivels

The Docks is standardised in accordance with Eu specimen angling product.

You bought 2 different products, designed for different purposes. The Docks swivel is for specimen angling and for a specific application and Carp rig
 

Enigma

Moderator
They are standardised.

The Berkley is standardised for USA and Australian market and are spinning swivels

The Docks is standardised in accordance with Eu specimen angling product.

You bought 2 different products, designed for different purposes. The Docks swivel is for specimen angling and for a specific application and Carp rig
 
Lol, two different standards that both use plain numerical numbering without any other means to tell which standard is being used. The fishing industry have allot of idiots involved.
 

Enigma

Moderator
Not... Thanks for calling me an Idiot as I am solely employed in the fishing industry.

I think you didn't read my point.

South Africa has not one Distributor with Products designed solely for South Africa,

Let's look at Shimano for Example. Shimano is divided up into major markets world wide.

Japan (Using Denier, Traditional Japanese and Metric measurements), USA (Using Oz,Feet and Yards), Europe (sub divided into UK (Imperial measurements) and Europe in Metric measurements, Australasian (Metric),

Now inside that they have for example the Tiagra range for USA Spec, Australia Spec and Europe Spec.

Many blanks are different and many the same but the measurements etc are printed on the product for the markets the product is destined for.

You will see I never included South Africa as a world market in neither Commercial or Sport fishing..... CORRECT because we figure NOWHERE in the world trade in fishing products.

So our products you see here are bought out of a international shopping basket that were destined for one of the international markets so some are imperial, some are metric, some are Japanese, some are Carping only products for England bough for the SA market for something else.

The products in Question Berkley are made for the Australian Metric market and the Docks are a SA made product matching the UK Specimen style product range
 

TimJan

Sealiner
This is like complaining that your 1.6 Tata isn't as fast as a 1.6 BMW or it cant drive where a 1.6 Lada 4x4 can?

You cant use the same standard for marlin fishing and for fly fishing?

Like Enigma said built in different places for different applications.
 

Barbelman

New member
TimJan wrote:
This is like complaining that your 1.6 Tata isn't as fast as a 1.6 BMW or it cant drive where a 1.6 Lada 4x4 can?

You cant use the same standard for marlin fishing and for fly fishing?

Like Enigma said built in different places for different applications.

No I understand 100% Timjan. It just makes it sooo difficult to order online.
Now I perhaps want to order Gardner nr 8 swivels, but how do I know what size they will be?
This can only be learned through experience. I do not want to buy the wrong stuff as my money does not grow on trees:)
 

HennieB

Sealiner
Barbelman, with due respect you were advised on the speci thread to stick to known specimen brands. If you order siz8 Gardners they will be the correct size just like Korda, Fox, Nash etc.
 

Barbelman

New member
HennieB wrote:
Barbelman, with due respect you were advised on the speci thread to stick to known specimen brands. If you order siz8 Gardners they will be the correct size just like Korda, Fox, Nash etc.

Okay thanks.
Are Docks not also catering to Specimen fishers? They sell all kinds of specimen equipment, Their hook sizes compare favorably. But they fall out of the bus when talking about the size of their swivels.
 

HennieB

Sealiner
Barbelman wrote:
HennieB wrote:
Barbelman, with due respect you were advised on the speci thread to stick to known specimen brands. If you order siz8 Gardners they will be the correct size just like Korda, Fox, Nash etc.

Okay thanks.
Are Docks not also catering to Specimen fishers? They sell all kinds of specimen equipment, Their hook sizes compare favorably. But they fall out of the bus when talking about the size of their swivels.

I don't fish with Docks so can't comment. The UK/EU brands are however all standardised.
 
Enigma wrote:
Not... Thanks for calling me an Idiot as I am solely employed in the fishing industry.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were involved with the standardisation of swivels.

It’s not standardisation when everybody uses their own standard, lol.

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TimJan

Sealiner
I get you.
I am lucky enough to be in JHB so if I find something online for a good price I can still pop out to my local and and check it out before buying online.

and some of the toy's can get expensive if you get the wrong stuff.



Barbelman wrote:
TimJan wrote:
This is like complaining that your 1.6 Tata isn't as fast as a 1.6 BMW or it cant drive where a 1.6 Lada 4x4 can?

You cant use the same standard for marlin fishing and for fly fishing?

Like Enigma said built in different places for different applications.

No I understand 100% Timjan. It just makes it sooo difficult to order online.
Now I perhaps want to order Gardner nr 8 swivels, but how do I know what size they will be?
This can only be learned through experience. I do not want to buy the wrong stuff as my money does not grow on trees:)
 
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