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 Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2016 04:32 pm
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I never used circle hooks before and did some reading here. So jy moet nie kap nie, net die brieke stelselmating
aandraai? I get it, must just still practice that practically.
I fish with baitrunner reels exclusively. So how do I use the baitrunner best with circle hooks?
Must I even use the baitrunner function? Or should I just set the drag to its least powerful setting and increase the drag as it swims away? Till you get the feeling it is hooked now?

Please explain as if you are talking to a 5 year old;)

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 Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2016 02:21 pm
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Barbelman wrote: Or should I just set the drag to its least powerful setting and increase the drag as it swims away? Till you get the feeling it is hooked now?

Please explain as if you are talking to a 5 year old;)

I'm no pro but thats pretty much it..let it take line under light drag, count for a few seconds and tighten your drag, feel the fish on and let it take a little line under drag then I tap it once for good luck and make sure the hook point is firmly embedded and off you go.

Worked like that for tuna, leeries, geelbek and with mielie pits and a light circle for carp as well so pretty sure the baber will be just the same.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 27th, 2016 10:46 am
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Thank you Dr Halibut. I thought the advice will flood my inbox, but sadly not so:)

My brother fish exclusively for carp and only fish specimen style. The bait he uses 90% of the time is only FX Tigernuts on a hair-rig. We have lost count of just how many barbels he caught on this setup. All ranging from 4kg to I think the biggest yet about 13kg.

Now he uses small size 8 Hyabusa curved shank hooks. when there is a run, there is now way to know is it a Carp or a Barbel, so he just pick up the rod and bring it in, no kapping or so. And every single time the barbel is hooked nicely in the corner of its mouth.

So now I have second thoughts on using big circle hooks since I will first have to get used to them, and the advice was not really flooding in lol.

Perhaps i should just hair rig my baits using my specimen hooks of size 4. If small size 8 hooks with a hair-rig works so well for my brother, then perhaps hair-rigging barbel baits is a better option for me, seeing I have no experience with circle hooks.

Last edited on Thu Oct 27th, 2016 10:49 am by Barbelman

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Look with barbel fishing you need to wait till it has it properly in its mouth and this depends on the size of the bait to the size of the fish. No matter what hook you use.


The only difference is with a circle is don't strike. A sudden jerk movement will rip it out without hooking in first.
So if you are using a bait runner pick up your rod while it is running hold your rod straight up(90 Deg) engage your reel and start reeling slow that will set the hook.

When I was now at bloemhof I was fishing about 180m out with a 12o eagle claw circle that I took half a carp head and only hooked the circle through the lips.
All the barbel was over 8kg so they would easily swallow the whole head with one bite so I let them run about 5 m and fasten my drag and just reel in.
Also being in the river and fishing with 35lb line I believe just the drag on the line is almost enough to set the circle in the corner of the mouth.

The only thing with circles is that it is hard to set the hook when the fish is swimming towards you so if it is taking line you can tighten and start reeling.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 27th, 2016 11:55 am
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Thanks Timjan. Where you say then engage your reel, what is the drag setting supposed to be? Very light or the preferred setting you use when fighting the fish?

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I will say preferred setting you fight the fish with.
if you hold your rod straight up that will already be enough leverage/slow pull to set the hook.

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Hi Barbelman,

It is like the Dr. says...

Big baits - Patients is the KEY!
Set your drag as light as possible. This allows the barbel to swim away with the bait while just holding it in it's jaws(swim away from the competition / other barbel in the area). Only lift your rod off the stand (don't lift the tip) once it move a second or even a third time as the bait will be inside it's mouth then - but DON'T STRIKE. I would then turn/move my rod parallel to the shore while the barbel is still moving (still in the same position as the rod was on the stand). Then I place my hand over the spool and apply lots of pressure. If the barbel is hooked it will pull your rods tip back towards the water - only at that stage do you strike twice (still with your rod is the same position and hand over the spool), that sets the hook properly. Now you can lift your rod tip and tighten your drag - FISH ON!

Small baits:(you can use your bait-runner function)
With small bait (worms, crickets etc) same as above but you can do it on the first run as the will immediately take the small bait into their mouths - just remember not to strike.

Knot - I use the knotless knot and it has never failed me with the circle hooks.

My 2c....


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Thanks guys. I now know a little bit more and will fish with a bit more confidence. I think on my second rod I will use a hair-rig then, but with smaller baits like dead platannas or small birds.

How do one rig a platanna on a hair-rig? I get the feeling the braid will just pull through its ass since I read here it must be rigged between its legs:cool:

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Don't hair-rig the plattie - if it's dead just hook it through the legs or between the back legs as it is a "small" bait.

Hair-rig your big baits so that your hook is completely exposed - better hookups. Search the forum as there are some great pic of how to rig big fish heads and other big baits.

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Alex123 wrote:
Don't hair-rig the plattie - if it's dead just hook it through the legs or between the back legs as it is a "small" bait.

Hair-rig your big baits so that your hook is completely exposed - better hookups. Search the forum as there are some great pic of how to rig big fish heads and other big baits.

:fishn


Yes, I've seen those, just never a platanna on a hair-rig, yet:)

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Maybe I am just lucky, but I use circles and I strike and still get my hook ups...

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Maybe I am just lucky, but I use circles and I strike and still get my hook ups...

Looking at your sig, best catch of 22kg, then it looks like it might not really be so wrong to strike with circle hooks_seal1_

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2 years ago, new years weekend at a venue against the vaal river outside potch, after looking for a 15kg plus guy since I was 23. That weekend myself and a friend hooked into 4 beasts between 15 and 22kg. Since then everything under 10kg again

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It was a very productive weekend:cool:

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Nee wat, kon nie een vis land met die sirkel hoeke nie. Die oomblik toe ek n vriend se gewone hoeke opsit, toe kry ek hulle op die kant. Miskien doen ek dit verkeerd, maar ek gaan nie weer sirkel hoeke gebruik nie. Het alles kalm probeer soos gese is ek moet dit gebruik, laaste keer gekap soos ek gewoond is, niks nie.

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was jou hoeke se punte "proud" gewees? Baie ouens laai die aas die diep en hoog op bend, dan wil hy ook nie lekker hak nie

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was jou hoeke se punte "proud" gewees? Baie ouens laai die aas die diep en hoog op bend, dan wil hy ook nie lekker hak nie


For sure yes. I looked at many bait presentations here on other threads. I am sure I got it right.
My hooks was not too small for the baits etc.
The only time when my hooks are to deep inside a fish is when the rod were left overnight and the fish had too much time eating it.
When you strike at the right time and are always near your rods, normal hooks also hook in the side of the mouth and not in the fishes stomach. There will be exceptions though.

I had success with the normal hooks, despite me thinking they are far too small. I hooked as little of the bait as possible to make the small hook stand proud.
As I fished in a river I did not had to cast hard and could get away with it.

Next question ;)
What is the best, non-circle hooks, and size of them for a muddies head?
The small hooks worked, but I will feel a bit more confident with slightly bigger hooks, or should I not change what worked?

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I normally use size 6 or 8 depending on the size of the bait. The ou van der merwe hooks are nice for smaller cats, but dont think it will hold a 15kg plus cat. Maybe just keep on going with the circle, sometime smaller cats try to take your bait and thats when you might not get a hook up.

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Sometime smaller cats try to take your bait and thats when you might not get a hook up.

That is true, seeing the fish head I used was quite big.
But to give circle hooks another chance? Jong, die lewe is te kort om visse te verloor. :cool:

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Hi Barbelman,

We went to the Vaaldam this weekend and also battled hooking into the fish with the circle hooks... I was seriously frustrated after the first night/day... I did everything as I always do and have no trouble hooking up...but this weekend was different... After the umpteenth missed hookup, I just sat down and re-evaluated the situation...(out of desperation...)

I came to the following conclusion - all the barbel we landed with the circle hooks were 5-9kg... Our baits were to big for the smaller barbel and they were not taking it into their mouths, they were simply just clamping down on the bait as they tried to maneuver it while swimming away... So while thinking that it has taken it properly because of the prolonged steady "run", the bait was just being held in the front of the jaws.

My son then changed to small circles with a thin gauge (4/0) and baited them with bunches of "slang" worms.. Dropped them at the various areas and depths and then the barbel came out one after the other...all below 3kg and hooked perfectly in the corner of the mouth...

So I came to the conclusion that the size of our baits were the problem and not the circle hooks... because the big boys were not around... Had my son not suggested the change, I would have blamed the hooks for the lack of hookups as I was all out of answer at that stage...

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