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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:21 pm
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Nepptune wrote:
Check out the Williamson Jet Popper, and the YoZuri Surface Bull.
If you can afford it, go check out the Carpenter Poppers at ANgling Africa...
I'll speak to a connection of mine regarding poppers and get back to you on them, he may have a few for ya.



Nepps...Any idea of cost on the poppers from angling africa and what kind does your mate store and cost of these...

Thanks bud

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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:29 pm
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Hoodie - You'll have to call Angling AFrica mate.... hven't a clue, but be prepared to be shocked if they are genuine Carpenters....

I'll chat to my mate and see what he can do.... he's an agent, so may need to direct you to a particulr store.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:03 pm
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thanks Nepp will give them a ring now....

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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:45 pm
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Guys Stella 10 000 for R5750 is this a good price....?!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 03:32 pm
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They are Carpenter Venus - and if I remember correctly about 280 bucks each.

Definitely not cheap

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Hoodlum wrote: Guys Stella 10 000 for R5750 is this a good price....?!

Hahahahaa.... guess whose got the addiction!!!!::S

Hoodie, thats a fair price I guess... about $690 Dollars at todays exchange...  which is about $40 bucks more than they are stateside..... butthats about what shipping would run you anyway....

 

R 280.00 a pop per popper isn't as bad as I thought... yes its stupid money, but alot of those top end Japanese Poppers fetch upwards of $85 bcks each...which is over R 700.00 EACH... obviously thats for the more rare and in demand models...!!!

 

Hoodie, just curious mate, why are you wanting a Stella 10K? I mean I understand Stella addiction as badly as anyone, I've got three, and I've owned 4.... but just wondering where you wanna fit it into your arsenal...

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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 04:47 pm
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Nepptune wrote: Hoodlum wrote: Guys Stella 10 000 for R5750 is this a good price....?!

Hoodie, thats a fair price I guess... about $690 Dollars at todays exchange...  which is about $40 bucks more than they are stateside..... butthats about what shipping would run you anyway.... 

 
Hoodie, just curious mate, why are you wanting a Stella 10K? I mean I understand Stella addiction as badly as anyone, I've got three, and I've owned 4.... but just wondering where you wanna fit it into your arsenal...

Nepps, is this the price for new 2008 models or older models?

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lol..ok ok..i admit it...I got the stella bug! I was chatting to one of the suppliers and we got talking about reels, Got offered the 10 000 for that price...thing is i am looking at a kilwa trip early next year...need to take the family on holiday first! ( if the misses is reading) But yeah... So might come in handy if we go further north next year! Would you guys sugest the 10 000 or the 20 000.

Looks like im gonna be doing allot more jigging and popping...*grin*

Ohhh and whats the diff between the 2008 models and the older ones...?!

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GL - The US price of $650 is for the older FA Models... the new SW's start at around $730 and go up to around $950 for the 18K and 20K US Models, and the Japan Domestic versions are around $1230 for the 18K and 20K... BIG NUMBERS!!!

Hoodie - the 10K and the 20K are very similar the only differences being:

10 K:
6.1:1 Gear Ratio ( High Gear )
Smaller Spool Capacity

20K
4.4:1 Gear Ratio ( Power Gear )
Larger Spool Capacity

The Spools on both reels are interchangeable.
The ultimate for popping would be a 10K with a 20K spool, giving you the extra speed for all day popping, with increased capacity for using heavy 80 to 170lb braid ( Yes I said 170lb braid!!! Thats what ALOT of the top boys are using, and fishing 15 kilos at strike drag!!! Talk about pushing the limits of your tackle!!! )

The 20K certainly makes a great popping reel, but is more work when popping all day.

However the 20K and other lower geared Stella's are better jigging options, as the speed is better suited to jigging, as is the power gear ratio for hauling fish up from the depths.

The new Models Stella's, both US and Japanese, have changed somewhat, with the intorduction of the Stella 18000, which is the high gear version of the 20000, with a larger spool cpacity than the original 10k, and with a 5.7:1 gear ratio.
But these new SW versions won't be available here for a while I don't think, not nearly enough demand.

As too which one is best suited to you... tough call man... more jigging? or more popping?
Personally I fish a 6000 body, with an 8000 spool, which gives me about 320 metres of PE 5 ( 60 plus lb ) braid, with the high speed ratio on my popping stick( Carpenter DJ 83MH)... this set up has accounted for numerous tuna over the 240lb mark on poppers (NOT BY ME!!!) and many good sized GT's in deeper water.

When fishing HECTIC rocky areas where alot of the best GT fishing happens, the guys need much higher breaking strengths and stopping power to keep 50kg plus fish out of the bricks, hence the extreme braids and drag settings. This is where the bigger reels are needed.
With Tuna, its not the really heavy drags needed, but rather smooth and solid drags, and capacity...

My Lighter jigging stick, a Smith WGJ S56SLH has the 8K body and spool also with PE 5 for Yellowtail, and Longfin and most other species,with this set up I can comfortably fish 10 to 12 kilos of drag, but seldom do... and the 20K is on a Heavy Tuna Max Big Game S57XXH which I can fish 16 kilo drga on, but again will probably spend most of the time on 8 to 10 kilos for Yellowfin.... its got 510 metres of PE 6, 86lb YGK Ultra.....

All of the reels are interchangeble with the rods,so I can chop and change as needed....

Decisions decisions decisions.....

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Thanks for the info Nepps... I think its a good price....looking at all the other prices ive been getting this afternoon! Its crazy to see what mark up some guys put on these reels. Im thinking get a 10 000 and a 20 000 spool as well.....Best of both!

I am also thinking get it now..as prices are only going to go up. So if i wait till early next year...more that likely it will cost me more...besides you got to look at it as an investment!:spite that what i keep telling myself! lol

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Hoodie - Bru its like buying fine sports cars, art or property... thinking of it as investment is the only ay to go.... even if you are only kidding yourself!!! LOL!!!

Enjoy, the pleasure of fishing with a set up of top quality with something like a Stella is just incredible!
Will it make you a better Angler? HELL NO! But who cares, its fun as all hell in a bucket to fish with!!

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Hoodie - Bru its like buying fine sports cars, art or property... thinking of it as investment is the only ay to go.... even if you are only kidding yourself!!! LOL!!!

Enjoy, the pleasure of fishing with a set up of top quality with something like a Stella is just incredible!
Will it make you a better Angler? HELL NO! But who cares, its fun as all hell in a bucket to fish with!!

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When you say north of Pemba, are you on a liveaboard? I have fished from Quirimba up to Delgado both on a liveaboard and from skiboats (and trekked it about 10 years ago). Most of the water is shallow (less than 150m) so I would think about 65% of the time will be popping and hence would adjust the tackle accordingly. If it is a purely fishing trip and unless you are fit as hell, it is a real effort to cast and jig all day - I would suggest you take another set of tackle (either trolling or dropshot) to take time to recover from your exertions. Trolling will help out with the food fish and I would suggest the Exage 4 pce travel rod rated 15kg with a Torsa.
I would also use the Torsa as a standby jigging reel. Then add a medium popping outfit with 6000 size reel and 50lb braid and a heavy outfit with 80lb. I used the new Daiwa Saltiga casting stick recently with a Stella 10000 and that was sweet. Unless you are after big doggies and huge GT's the 10000 is more than adequate. If you heading further north however, then the minute you are jigging in 200m+, I would go up to the 20000. You will find many smaller reefs around the uninhabited islands stacked up with small GT's (

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Nepptune wrote: Hoodie - Bru its like buying fine sports cars, art or property... thinking of it as investment is the only ay to go.... even if you are only kidding yourself!!! LOL!!!

Enjoy, the pleasure of fishing with a set up of top quality with something like a Stella is just incredible!
Will it make you a better Angler? HELL NO! But who cares, its fun as all hell in a bucket to fish with!!

Stella are awesome and the rolls royce amongst grinders. on the right rod, its motzart at sea when those 15kg drags start whinning!

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lol...i agree 100% put an order in for the 10 000 should receive it buy Thursday...Going to load it with 80lb tuffline xp...only thing is diameter is rather on the large side.

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Hoodlum wrote: lol...i agree 100% put an order in for the 10 000 should receive it buy Thursday...Going to load it with 80lb tuffline xp...only thing is diameter is rather on the large side.

Hoodlum, cool and my 2c . . . load it with 130 lb Tuff braid. what we are learning is 80lb is like being half pregnant . . . . you wanna get that monster out asap and know you can hold it if necessary.

as pointed out by resident stella expert, stella v wyk, earlier get a 20 000 spool which can be interchanged with 10 000 chassis. you should get 300m braid and 100m of say 80lb maxima mono backing on it

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Shot GL...Will do bud! 130lb it is...just need to get a sppol for the 20 000 now!:spite

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