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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2016 06:22 pm
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This is no real brainer, but just to gauge the interest in Grinder fishing and your choice of rod for same.

What will your choice be per manufacturer (brand) and why do you so choose?

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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2016 06:30 pm
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BM Slingshot

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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2016 08:22 pm
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Not too sure why its a no-brainer...
depends on what you want from your rod
and very much on what you are physically capable of casting
pretty sure Azimut and Horizon are, for one thing too much rod for me and for another excessive for how what I like to do...

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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2016 08:13 pm
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Tackle-holic wrote:
Not too sure why its a no-brainer...
depends on what you want from your rod
and very much on what you are physically capable of casting
pretty sure Azimut and Horizon are, for one thing too much rod for me and for another excessive for how what I like to do...



5~8oz....edibles, flatfish & shark fishing ~ not Fishing in a Dam !

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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2016 08:59 pm
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Didn't think it was for dam fishing.
Define Purglas?
Which Pentagon?
Which Saltiga?
Which Saltist?
Which DC oval?
I can see, looking at the inclusion of specific BM rods where you were heading, but if you are going to post a poll, be clear.
Looking for advice or just confirmation of a recent choice?

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 07:52 am
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Define the purpose of this post..

Define to application
define the specie you targeting

then only you can poll the rod...


Im currently looking for a rod for tail spinning from the beach and yet also versatile to spin for kob, Elf and Leerie.

So far this rod became plausible for me to consider ...
Shimano Exage EXSF120 12ft

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 09:09 am
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Big Ben I'd look at the DC oval 10'6" or a custom stick for that..12' might be too long to throw all day with. From elf to tail is quite a tall stretch, and then psy want to pull sharks and flat fish too.

Different rods for different applications. For leervis, elf and cob spinning my exceller xxxh is going into its fourth season now and I would not want another for that application. My new custom stick for heavier spinning, close range, is built on the tip and middle section of a BM superslim 30/50/430. So it is a 10' 30/50/270 I guess, and throws from 2oz to 4 oz and I'm more than happy with it but blank might be too heavy for shad or cob unless they are big blues or quaggas. For the even heavier stuff I use my custom 11ft exage, which I use for cracker fishing on the grinder too.

I'm not needing a 14' rod for throwing huge shark baits and light gallie etc fishing I just use the exceller. That little rod has caught me somewhere round 400kg of edibles and sportfish by my estimates but can't help you with the inedible rod or long distance beach rod.

Hey Psy, that your BM slingshot? Tell us more..:)

Also how do you guys cast those long rods with a grinder with the reel seat so low and bionic fingers..? Does it come naturally with a few throws, it seems very uncomfortable to me but I haven't played with that configuration much. Grew up pap-gooing and bass fishing with grinder in the normal place so it just feels right there?

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 04:04 pm
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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:Also how do you guys cast those long rods with a grinder with the reel seat so low and bionic fingers..? Does it come naturally with a few throws, it seems very uncomfortable to me but I haven't played with that configuration much. Grew up pap-gooing and bass fishing with grinder in the normal place so it just feels right there?
Have to agree with you, it feels like I am casting with my left foot holding the reel.
However, I am forcing myself to learn.
So far about 30-odd gentle casts in the field and it is starting to feel less strange and the timing of the release is improving.
I have been told "Put about 150 casts in, and it will all feel normal"
We'll see.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 10:57 pm
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To many conflicting Variables in your selection

Oval DC available in 1-4, 3-5, 4-6, 6-8, 5-7 and 7-9 and 8-10 (my personal shark Grinder rod is 13' 8-10oz). Out of all these the best All Round is the 5-7oz

Superslim available in 30-50, 40-50, 50-50, 60-60, 80-50 and 100-50 The 80-50 is the most versatile and Best Casting of the lot. The whole range of SuperSlims also available in lengths 400, 410, 430 and 450

The Horizon currently available in 2 models ie XH and XXH which match up with the Super Slim 80-50 and 100-50 only 1 length. I've fished both SS and Horizon but prefer the power in the bottom 1/3 of the Horizon

The Evo is available in Original and EVO 2 and would be close to a SS 70-50 which doesn't exist

Azimut (Defined as the Arc of the Horizon) is available in 60-50, 80-50, 100-50 as well as 60-100, 80-100 and 100-100 and all of these are available in 450, 460 and 470 You have to be a small Arnie to cast the 100-50-470. In my opinion the top of the range of all the rods you mentioned would be the 80-50-460 Azumith

Pentagon Grinder rods include All of those I have mentioned above as well as the P4, P5, P6, P7 and P8

Others I cannot comment on as I don't own them or build them and have only cast the Saltiga 60 Grinder (didn't like it much)

If I had to gauge by the rods we build and work on in our workshop, based Purely on Numbers

Most Popular:

Blue Marlin SS 80-50-430 and 450
SS 100-50-430
Horizon XXH
Super Mandril 450/7 (T30)
Horizon XH
DC 7-9oz
DC 5-7
EVO
Assassin FSSC XL
SS 60-50-430


That is a broad sample from right around the country. The P Series of Blue Marlin is good but never really seemed to take off

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 11:00 pm
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The Slingshot isn't a Blue Marlin rod, must be a name of a rod given to a series of rods built by a Custom builder

Something like the Stiletto range of Excalibur rods from Namibia

Stiletto 5oz = 60-50-430
Stiletto 6oz = 80-50-430
Stiletto 7oz = 100-50-430

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2016 11:07 pm
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Like Tackle-holic pointed out it is a lot to do with what you want to do with it and of course what your budget allows.

For a 6-8oz option of top performance I will make a statement that you cannot beat the following combination for casting, pulling robustness and longevity I would get the following:

Azimut 80-50-460
Winn Grip
Bionic Finger
Fuji Titanium Torzite RV 30-RV20-KWTCG 16M, KW16 - 6 x KW #12 Runners with Arowana #12 Tip
Reel Stella 18k

If someone has the Budget (+/- R32k) to build this and Kit it out and he has the skill to use it then there will be no-one who would match him with another Grinder outfit (My opinion)

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 Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2016 07:01 am
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Craig, your 13ft 8-10 ounce is that the casting model blank converted for grinder use , as in the guides placed on the opposite side of the blank?

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 Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2016 10:30 am
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It is the casting but has a completely different t guide layout and is used with Multiplier and Grinder,the guides are still on the rear of the spine as for overhead reel

With such a strong rod I doubt there will even be a 1% variance on casting distances.

Most important is to make sure it is directly o. The spine and not 90 degrees to the spine which will resultin skew casts or twisting of the blank while pulling.

Been fishing this rod like this for almost 4 years now and it's perfect for.its dual purpose role

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 Posted: Tue Aug 23rd, 2016 07:48 am
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My bad for posting too many rods in the above poll.

My knowledge of same is minimal so I cannot comment ~ my query was to gauge where the interest lay and what was found with the rod of choice.
If choice was incorrect and or workmanship poor or any breakages occurred.

Kudos to Enigma for the enlightening post's


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 Posted: Tue Aug 23rd, 2016 04:20 pm
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Dr halibut hoffman wrote: Also how do you guys cast those long rods with a grinder with the reel seat so low and bionic fingers..? Does it come naturally with a few throws, it seems very uncomfortable to me but I haven't played with that configuration much. Grew up pap-gooing and bass fishing with grinder in the normal place so it just feels right there?

Thought I would let you know.
Been practicing with my 12' Oval DC 3-5 and a skinned tennis ball.

When I started it felt really, really weird, but is definitely starting to feel more natural.
So far no discernible difference in casting distance (105m point to point with above mentioned tennis ball) but retrieving is MUCH, MUCH nicer.

I wont be altering my 1-3oz rods, but the 12' is due for a proper rebuild to suit the low reel position.
I am convinced.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 23rd, 2016 06:27 pm
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Enigma wrote:
To many conflicting Variables in your selection

Oval DC available in 1-4, 3-5, 4-6, 6-8, 5-7 and 7-9 and 8-10 (my personal shark Grinder rod is 13' 8-10oz). Out of all these the best All Round is the 5-7oz

Superslim available in 30-50, 40-50, 50-50, 60-60, 80-50 and 100-50 The 80-50 is the most versatile and Best Casting of the lot. The whole range of SuperSlims also available in lengths 400, 410, 430 and 450

The Horizon currently available in 2 models ie XH and XXH which match up with the Super Slim 80-50 and 100-50 only 1 length. I've fished both SS and Horizon but prefer the power in the bottom 1/3 of the Horizon

The Evo is available in Original and EVO 2 and would be close to a SS 70-50 which doesn't exist

Azimut (Defined as the Arc of the Horizon) is available in 60-50, 80-50, 100-50 as well as 60-100, 80-100 and 100-100 and all of these are available in 450, 460 and 470 You have to be a small Arnie to cast the 100-50-470. In my opinion the top of the range of all the rods you mentioned would be the 80-50-460 Azumith

Pentagon Grinder rods include All of those I have mentioned above as well as the P4, P5, P6, P7 and P8

Others I cannot comment on as I don't own them or build them and have only cast the Saltiga 60 Grinder (didn't like it much)

If I had to gauge by the rods we build and work on in our workshop, based Purely on Numbers

Most Popular:

Blue Marlin SS 80-50-430 and 450
SS 100-50-430
Horizon XXH
Super Mandril 450/7 (T30)
Horizon XH
DC 7-9oz
DC 5-7
EVO
Assassin FSSC XL
SS 60-50-430


That is a broad sample from right around the country. The P Series of Blue Marlin is good but never really seemed to take off


Eish.

So little said, so much to understand. If only I new more about this subject so that i can read with more understanding, how ever, I am trying to understand it all.

Maybe one day ........

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First decide what it is you want to achieve, then look for the right tool for THAT job.
Don't look all the available tools first and then think about what you might do with them.
The one right tool for the one job identified will in all likelihood have more than one application, ie be useful for other tasks too.

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Why do you guys fish with grinders?.....:)

I cant cast grinders and therefore will probably not ever own one BUT its a good post to see what the guys use and whats out there.

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The larger the baits one casts the more convenient it becomes to have the reel, low (bait fishing and long and long rod fishing only)

Yes it might be imagined to be awkward but the long rod length and large cumulative weight being cast (sinker + bait) is better accommodated by the reel being low as it spreads the weight better and a better momentum can be built up in the casting stroke.

The Bionic finger is only really necessary on rods where total casting weights exceeds 6ozas it prevents your finger from becoming bruised.

The other HUGE advantage of the Bionic finger get is that one can cast with the drag loose/ in the fight setting with no risk of cutting your finger.

Then the next obvious advantage is the standing with rid in hand and using a bucket.and the playing of a fish especially big fish where it is a lot more comfortable with the rod low.

Spinning, Plugging and Popping, I still only use high reel seat as the butt under the arm makes lure control super easy.

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