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 Posted: Sat Mar 19th, 2016 09:46 am
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Good morning

This thread follows the same principle as the R&S one I had which was a tremendous help. Thanks again for all the comments. Im pretty much sorted for saltwater.

Now I have to fill my Muti Box. Got myself the Large Sensation Pro Series Box. Perfect for me.

Right off the Bat I can either have:
1. 7 Mielies & 30 Bottles (Muti, Bol Dips, Sprays, Goo + Floats)
or
2. 14 Mielies & 20 Bottles (Muti, Bol Dips, Sprays, Goo + Floats)

First of all. Which is more important? More Mielies or more Bottles?

So from ALOT of thread reading iv narrowed it down to 8 Mutis

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=102238&forum_id=101

Almond
FX
Quatro (Fruit)
Musk
Dynamite (Duiwelsdrek)
Garlic
GP (Spice)
Gatvol (TCP-ish)

I like the convenience of the Spray. When you sneeze you dont mess half of the muti bottle on your fingers or the floor.

So how do I do this?

How many Mielies? Flavors?
How many Mutis?
How many Sprays? Flavors?
How many Floats? Flavors?

How would you seasoned anglers fill up my box with the space provided so that I have the largest/best variety?

P.S. Heading to Lake Mentz later if someone has advice on a combo. Beautiful day outside

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 Posted: Sat Mar 19th, 2016 12:08 pm
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Hi there!

Personally to cover all options I would opt for the 30 dips and 7 jars.

My dip list consists of the following:

1. Banana cream
2. Bmt
3. Biddulphs
4. Ebony
5. Fx
6. Garlick
7. Looti
8. Peach perfection
9. Quatro
10. Legend

11. Perdeby
12. Tanya
13. Rooi GP
14. Dewald (rooi bunspice, baie sterk)
15. Paint
16. Devilsfork
17. Stywe lyne (hasbeen)
18. Stuttafords
19. Petit janine
20. Kiana

21. Almond supreme
22. Baber special
23. Duiwelsdrek
24. Juana
25. Gatvol
26. Gumtree
27. -
28. Tcp
29. Tjop tjop
30. Vicks

Floats:

F1: plain wit
F2: plain geel
F3: bunspice
F4: pink sweets
F5: quatro
F6: garlick

Then I have 6 jars containing the following:

A: garlick mielies
B: fluorosien powder
C: red powder
D: odds and ends like extra clip on swiwels, hooks etc
E: spiral policemen
F: cork policemen

I then also have at any given time 40 sliding rietvlei traces (0,8 and super link), 20 vaaldam traces, 20 barbel traces and 10 short muddie traces. Additional to that I keep 8 x M0, 8x M1, 8x M1,5 and 4 x P4's in my box.

Other odds and ends I keep in the box itself includes 2x stopwatches, a spool of leader line, 6 spare spools for my reels pre clipped, chemist aniseed oil, naeltjie oil, casting glove, nail clippers, pva string and a worm needle.

I hope this helps you out. Please feel free to ask any other questions!

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WOW! Description said only the necessities!

Getting back to that though I don't know what I would be classified as conventional or specimen angler. Perhaps a specimen conventional angler?

I use to also have so many dopes and sprays and you name it in the hopes of catching more fish and never new or could figure out when to use them.

Now I only use tiger nuts (on a single hair rig trace), 2 flavours-Plain or sweetcorn.

Mieliebom gets mixed with molasses that is it.

I fish in the river and have found that by first checking the river area to be fished is much more valuable than all sorts of dips and dopes(and also cheaper).

Gravel or softer bottom in about 3m water after a drop off is ideal.

With the tiger nuts I always catch good size and numbers and I never have to wonder if I still have bait on my hook.

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I fished a local pond this past Saturday with a mate who fished competitively.

We both fished supercast bomb and various flavoured floatie/dough hookbaits...
He used bol dips and I did not...
We both fished 0.8 hooks...
We sat 10m apart...
He fished maxima hooklinks and I fished fluorocarbon hooklinks...
He caught 6 carp to my 4...but each of my fish were bigger than his!

Who needs that much dips and flavours? There are more important factors at play like location and presentation.

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The problem with so many varieties is that you start to second guess yourself and constantly chopping and changing.

I don't really fish for carp but focus on artlure for cats and fly for yellows. I have 4 different types of lures for cats and only 8 different flies for SM yellows, the key is that they are tried and trusted and known for catching fish. By "limiting" my options it forces me to rather focus on finding fish, presentation and retrieve, fishing with confidence and maximizing time on/in the water. Now this may seem like an irrelevant rant but you can apply the same methodology to carp fishing. Get a handful of the well trusted dips/sprays eg FX, Perdeby, Quatro and another 1 from your list, some plain mielies and a simple SWD. Maybe add an X-factor like tiger nuts and then go fish hard focusing more on distance, structure and presentation.

With time you will see what works at your venue and then slowly add one or 2 other dips/sprays etc. Most lures/flies are there to catch the angler and I feel it's the same with dips and flavours.

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So this thread got me thinking of another example,

We recently went flying for SM yellows in the Orange and it was my dad's first time. I emptied a spare fly box and only put in one type of control fly and 2 types of point flies, showed him the ropes and sent him off for the morning session. It forced him to spend the 1st hour or so working on presenting the drift and once he had got the technique he started catching fish. By midday he had over 10 C&Rs, I then gave him another fly for his arsenal that had been working for us and he was set for the afternoon. The point I'm trying to illustrate is that had I given him a full box of options he would of probably tried every single one of them during the session and ultimately got far less fish

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Ant86 wrote:
So this thread got me thinking of another example,

We recently went flying for SM yellows in the Orange and it was my dad's first time. I emptied a spare fly box and only put in one type of control fly and 2 types of point flies, showed him the ropes and sent him off for the morning session. It forced him to spend the 1st hour or so working on presenting the drift and once he had got the technique he started catching fish. By midday he had over 10 C&Rs, I then gave him another fly for his arsenal that had been working for us and he was set for the afternoon. The point I'm trying to illustrate is that had I given him a full box of options he would of probably tried every single one of them during the session and ultimately got far less fish

Exactly my point also.
Im not saying don't stock up the muti box but it could be daunting for some who might concentrate on the wrong area... I certainly would!!!

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Ant86 wrote:
The problem with so many varieties is that you start to second guess yourself and constantly chopping and changing.

I don't really fish for carp but focus on artlure for cats and fly for yellows. I have 4 different types of lures for cats and only 8 different flies for SM yellows, the key is that they are tried and trusted and known for catching fish. By "limiting" my options it forces me to rather focus on finding fish, presentation and retrieve, fishing with confidence and maximizing time on/in the water. Now this may seem like an irrelevant rant but you can apply the same methodology to carp fishing. Get a handful of the well trusted dips/sprays eg FX, Perdeby, Quatro and another 1 from your list, some plain mielies and a simple SWD. Maybe add an X-factor like tiger nuts and then go fish hard focusing more on distance, structure and presentation.

With time you will see what works at your venue and then slowly add one or 2 other dips/sprays etc. Most lures/flies are there to catch the angler and I feel it's the same with dips and flavours.



Well said! Try to spend time scouting your fishing spot. I know everybody does not have a small inflatable or fiberglass boat, Luckily I have one and since I have been doing that my catch rate is much better. I prefer to fish the river and like hunting big cats and then catching the rest in between.

A little bit of time spent checking out the bottom of the piece of water in front of you will quickly show you where the drop-offs are as well as gravel holes and mud patches, large rocks, dead trees etc. Presenting a few tried and tested baits accordingly in the right places have proved to be very successful. Barbel, carp, smallmouth yellows and largies are found in different areas in the river and when presenting your baits for each species in the correct location increases your catch rate and more importantly the size of fish you catch.

I mainly fish the river but am sure the same would apply in a dam.



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I was going to reply but refrained after dewalds's very detailed reply that would have essentially mirrored my post.

I hear all the comments on reading water and choosing your spot but a league, club type angler or an angler resolved to cluttered recreational venues are more the norm rather than the exception and it is essential for these anglers to have all the tools of the trade to catch more and bigger fish than the others alongside.

So laying out your tackle box will vary based on what your end requirement is. To just be kitted to have fishing basics is completely different to that of a regular angler fishing a variety of waters and even more different to a competitive angler needing to catch more POINTS that opposition and to work at a higher rate.

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You don't say what your end goal is ie. Recreational, Club or Provincial competitive angling.

So for now lets look at the basics you need to get going.

The idea of your Freshwater tacklebox is pretty much the same as you R&S Tacklebox except it doesn't have to be mobile.

The point of the box is to have an ORDERED, NEAT and ACCESSIBLE layout of all you need for a days fishing so you can focus on fishing and not dig around in all manner of bags, bottles and boxes to find what you need.

So THE BASICS

Leader Line
Snap Swivels
Assorted Traces (10 of those most used and 5 each of others used occasionally) ie 10 x M0 and 5 x M1.5 and 5 x Vaaldam Traces. For a league angler it'll probably be more in number or a system like SuperCast Links with a holder with weights for the traces.
Scissors
Long Nose Pliers
Small packet of pre-tied hooklines to replace those broken off.

Spare spools to facilitate quick change and or variety in Breaking strains of lines for different fishing situations.

Depending on what your end goal is.......

Catching mainly big fish then Mielie Pips and Tigers will feature in your tackle box

Catching as many fish as you can in a day then maybe 2 kinds of Mielies (only because you are in the EP where carp fishing is still rough and tough) Around the Vaal maybe 1 kind of pip

The first thing you should do, you have done. You have had a look at what your local anglers use in your local waters.

Now DO NOT make the MOST COMMON MISTAKE and buy every dip that smells nice and fills your box....... in 3 years time 40% of them will still be full and unused.

Get the basics (as you listed and start with that)

Fish with them and learn how to use those to catch fish.....

1. Which work in which dam
2. Which work in combination with which
3. Which fits best in your style of fishing
4. Which works in Which weather conditions

Once you have that under control, throw out what you don't ever use and then add new dips test.

You will eventually have 8-12 dips that you use OFTEN and OFTEN have SUCCESS with.

You only need more when you fish more venues and when part of a team and you need to adapt to what is working for a team in a venue you do not know.

The key is to be organised and have what you know works for you.

Myself, I have fished 21 A side Conventional SA Champs, 10 Competition Carp Angling Champs and participated in Tournaments as a member of 15 National teams. My tacle box has

8 Dips I use all the time
8 dips I use in specific venues and
8 Dips I have because my provincial team members often fish with them
I have 8 Bait Sprays

1 Large container of Plain White Floaties
1 container of Bunspice 32 Floaties
1 Container of Honey Floaties
1 Large Container of Vampire Floaties

Quick Links (instead of snap swivels)
3 colour koki's to mark lines
Fish Counter
2 Stopwatches
Roll of adhesive Plaster
Casting Glove (Finger Stall)
Small side cutter
Scissors
Longnose Pliers

20 x 0.8 Links Traces
20 x #1 Links Traces
10 x #1 Vaaldam Traces
10 x #5 Barbel Traces
1 bottle spiral policemen
1 bottle cork policemen of assorted sizes
1 x 0.35mm Leaderline spool

20 x M0 Links Weights
20 x M1 Links Weights
20 x M1.5 Links Weights
10 x P4
10 x 3oz

40 x Spare hooklinks

Storage area for 4 x pre-prepared / rigged traces

8 Spare spools 6 with standard carp lines and 2 with line for rough fishing ie in obstacles or for Barbel

With that setup and selection of dips that I have collected for myself I am confident to fish any competition anywhere in the country and I am self contained and ready to fish a full session at any venue.

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Enigma wrote:
I was going to reply but refrained after dewalds's very detailed reply that would have essentially mirrored my post.

I hear all the comments on reading water and choosing your spot but a league, club type angler or an angler resolved to cluttered recreational venues are more the norm rather than the exception and it is essential for these anglers to have all the tools of the trade to catch more and bigger fish than the others alongside.

So laying out your tackle box will vary based on what your end requirement is. To just be kitted to have fishing basics is completely different to that of a regular angler fishing a variety of waters and even more different to a competitive angler needing to catch more POINTS that opposition and to work at a higher rate.


Very good point Enigma, I did not even think about competitive angling. For me just being a recreational fisherman fishing in the River and basically having a nice time over a weekend or so, less is more! ::tight:

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May I add that you should Try one or 2 containers of the MB Snow Eeze Doughs in your Box. I like the GTA, and Almond ones. I am sure that Dewald and Enigma know how to make a GTA deeg if that's what the Fish want!

Also as a more Social Angler Myself, I do Enjoy Mielies on #1 or #2 hooks ( the Tempo may not be Suitable for Competition , but In my experience you get a bigger Fish than an 0.8 with SWD the Size of a Rice Grain on it.) however for Competitive Angling a 300g Carp is Still Points!

As I am Still Relatively new , I love Trying Different things. different Flavoured and Texture Floaties, Gold hooks instead of Black, Lead Darts and Torpedos, instead of Mushrooms (Cos I always cast off my Bom), Have recently Started playing with Feeder Rods & Method Feeders ( Now that is Tempo Fishing!)

I guess it's up to Each Angler to take what he Wants/Needs from the Sport.

I don't Have the Credentials of Enigma or Dewald, I have only been fishing for 2.5 years, but have and continue to learn a lot from both of them.

Tight Lines!!

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I am a recreational fisherman. I have no muti box. I roll up to the dam with half a loaf of white or brown bread and some mielies.

After 20 years I have now added supercast mieliebomb to the above - do I catch more, it's hard to say. I guess I get quicker bites if anything.

I think Enigma has explained it very well. If you are like me, then stay away from the fancy dips, sprays and whatever else. As hulle honger is eet hulle enige iets en hulle worry nie watse stok, katrol en lyn jy het nie.

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