Back to basics

IWyk

Sealiner
Are we over doing it with all the new and very expensive kit available? I know I have fallen into this trap and spend a lot (really a lot!) on fishing equipment.

I now have so much kit I get bogged down and I don’t know what to use anymore. It also becomes a pain in the arse rigging everything up and in the end not needing or using half the stuff. Is it really necessary and worth it or should we just stick or return to basics and enjoy fishing?

I can clearly remember the time when our sea fishing equipment consisted of much less and basic equipment but we caught fish. It was also affordable.

Given we could drive on the beach and we had a nice beach buggy which was rigged for fishing. Rod carrier on roll bar, live bait bucket with pump on the bulbar, and space for the fish box and bait board also in front.

My wife is also a keen fisher girl. Our kit basically consisted of the following. Waft 350/2 on Purglas blanks, 400/2 on Purglas blanks (My wife bought mine for me as a wedding present). Both had nice cork composite (cork and rubber mix) handles. Two small light Shad sticks with grinders. The 350/2’s where fitted with Shimano Speedmaster and the 400/2’S with Shimano 20/40’s. For big swimbaits or shark slides we would change the 20/40 to Daiwa SL450SH Sealine reel for more line capacity. Line was always .55 mainline with .8mm leader. Years later we would start with braid backing and .55 top shot to get more line capacity as we were spooled a few times on the 20/40’s.

This was all good enough for edibles to sharks and big skates/rays. Where we fished made no difference Kosi bay, Cape Vidal, St Lucia, Mapelane, South Coast, Hentiesbaai….. It made no difference we caught fish.

The light sticks where used to catch shad and other live bait such as Moonies (three spot pompanos). One was a 9ft fiberglass 10 weight fly rod with a small grinder, I still have this rod. So much fun catching shad on that.
The 350/2 where excellent for smaller baits for edibles. Six ounce sinker and you are set. The 400/2 where used for larger throw baits and sliding bigger baits or livies. Six to Eight ounce grapnel and you were good to go. The 350/2 with the Speedmaster was also excellent (although hard work) with a 5-6 ounce) chisel nose plugs for kingies. White wooden ones and Aubrey da Gamas was all we used. We also had a couple of heavier spoons but that was it as far as artificial where concerned. Plugs and spoons nothing more(I lie, a few Yazuris for moonies in the surf..)

The 350/2 was perfectly balanced outfit for my wife. I remember her catching a big sandy of the ledge north of Vidal bay and the rod had no issue handling the fish. I had to hold onto her from the back while she was fighting the fish but the rod handled it no problem.

Our normal modus operandi was up and out of camp at 04h00, straight to the bay to catch our shad for live bait. Most of the times just using a spoon. Toby or a twisty would do most days. (Out of season we would use 3 spot pompano, bonefish (nr. 1 if you could get them), black tail, snapper salmon etc.). Get them into the live bait buckets with pumps running. We would then set of looking for the right spot to slide.

Having found this we would slide out the livies. Depending on conditions we would also slide big baits if needed. The rod would be in a special made long pension pipe to keep the line as high as possible out the surf. Drag adjusted and clicker on, wait for the pick-up. Our targets then where mainly KINGFISH, COUTA and KOB.

Sharks always picked up our baits so we caught them too. Blacktips, hammerheads, Zambies, Raggies, Duskies where all caught. Flatfish we also caught Honeycombs (some huge ones), Diamonds, Greater sand sharks etc.
We would then cast out the 350/2 normally with a prawn/chokka combo bait or Sealice or sard/chokka combo. Onto the sand bank they went. Either in the pension pipe or in hand. On these we caught everything Southern Pompano, Blacktip Kingfish, Bluefin Kingfish, Natal Stump nose, Mata Hari, Snapper salmon (Zululand trout!), Kob, Smaller skates and rays (Blue, brown, electric).
We kept what we wanted to eat and the rest went back for another day.

Back to the original question: Are we over doing it now a days with the new technologies? Does the average fisherman need all the fancy stuff?

Yes, we should keep ahead of the times and technologies but are we catching more fish now with all this fancy kit than before? AND THE PRICES!!! SCARY STUFF!

All the kit mentioned (Rods and reels) are still available today. Should we look at going back to basics or is it just me getting old? We use to have so much fun at a very affordable price I might add.

I am not suggesting we move back to cane rods and wooden reels(although this year I want to catch a shark on a Wooden KP deluxe), but I think we are over doing it, me in any case.

I miss the old days, a lot. Things are not the same.
 

Kenty

Sealiner
;)..With anything , the world advances , the people who make things want to make better things and amke more money and there will always be people who will by these newer things and they do work...BUT here is the dilemma , todays fishermen want that one kwik FIX that will land him that beaut of a fish AND what alot of fisherman DO NOT realise that some times that beaut fish is right on his doorstep...BUT to get that fish he thinks he needs the VERY latest in kit.....and then again sometimes the said fisherman needs to get off his ass and actually go walk looking for the fish and yet again many places along our coast has not become safe anymore and now said fisherman wiles his time by purchasing multitudes of kit and ends up becoming a collector and not fishing anymore....
 

IWyk

Sealiner
Kenty wrote:
;)..With anything , the world advances , the people who make things want to make better things and amke more money and there will always be people who will by these newer things and they do work...BUT here is the dilemma , todays fishermen want that one kwik FIX that will land him that beaut of a fish AND what alot of fisherman DO NOT realise that some times that beaut fish is right on his doorstep...BUT to get that fish he thinks he needs the VERY latest in kit.....and then again sometimes the said fisherman needs to get off his ass and actually go walk looking for the fish and yet again many places along our coast has not become safe anymore and now said fisherman wiles his time by purchasing multitudes of kit and ends up becoming a collector and not fishing anymore....


So true, I fell into that hole and need to get out.

I need to get back to basics and spend more time next to the water and less time in the tackle shop!

Buy less crap and go fish!((goodp_
 

BigBen

Sealiner
I went back 2 basics 18months ago...Sold most of my excess gear and now have 4 outfits.

14' x 4 tips(4-7oz) G3 with a Tor20(Pimped)
13.6(poseidon) 5-6oz (my fav @ the moment) with Tor20(pimped) loaded with braid
12'(L&F) for winter reef dancing with T20
7' choka rig with 2500 Shimi.

Went back to old school baiting methods and now catch 80% more fish at my old spots...

;);)
 

IWyk

Sealiner
BigBen wrote:
I wnet back 2 basics 18months ago...Sold most og my excess gear and now have 4 outfits.

14' x 4 tips(4-7oz) G3 with a Tor20(Pimped)
13.6(poseidon) 5-6oz (my fav @ the moment) with Tor20(pimped) loaded with braid
12'(L&F) for winter reef dancing with T20
7' choka rig with 2500 Shimi.

Went back to old school baiting methods and now catch 80% more fish at my pold spots...

;);)

Exactly what I am on about. Great stuff Bigben, I will be following suite!
 
Yes and No.

I was taught that when you arrive at the sea and need to consciously decide what rod & reel setup to use (the reel with 0.52mm on or the 0.55mm or that new grinder with 50lb braid or the other grinder with the 30lb high abrasion braid on) then your session is screwed because you're focussing on the wrong things.

But if you're so focussed on what bait to use, how fresh it is (unfrozen, alive, frozen, frozen how long ago), where does it come from (Mullet from the west coast is not the same as mullet from false bay and sea mullet differ from lagoon mullet), how was it handled (immediately thrown in a ice slurry, trawl in a net so squashed, laid on a hot deck in the sun, how fast was it frozen after being caught). Then bait is no longer just bait and bait is what catches fish.

Now where do you cast this bait?

Focus on bait and location and you'll get your fishing right. Now you'll start loosing fish in certain areas or certain size fish and that's when the tackle becomes important, but first you need to hook the fish for the tackle to become important...
 

Boerseun

Member
Hi All,

I agree with Stefan. We spend thousands on tackle but at the end of the day it's about the bait. The right bait in the right place is guaranteed a pull.
Fish eat bait,not tackle!!!!!!
 

SPARRABOS

Sealiner
Hoekom wil jy verander wat werk.eerstens kom water lees,kondisies lees,regte aas dan vis reg spook aan hoek en land.ja jou gerei moet 100 persent wees veral jou lyn.maar hou by wat werk.ek en my maats vis old school en vang nou meer vis as ooit.ja bederf jou met nuwe stok en katrol maar hou by basics.hier is old school manne hier in pe vang baie vis en grooot vis op ou manier.ek bly maar old school.dis lekker.;)
 
dis nou waar.....................!!!!!!!!

old school caught fish!!!!
I don't see fish getting new fins, scales, bigger tales etc.
they are still the dumb old fish caught many years past.

the bigger fish are a bit more clever then the smaller ones, why then did they get so big.

so if you want to catch the bigger fish, you would need to wake up and smell the roses.
you do need to make adjustments in order to catch them.

but catching the normal pan size fish, old school rigs work good enough.
 

Shady

New member
100% true.

I actually do both.
Then again is tarted this new thing when i used to go walking on the beach during shad season and i used to see guys catching shad on the other end, so i decided to get myself a spinning stick and waljk with it and then as time went on I hardly got any fish with it, besides shoal fish. I spent like R12000 rands in a year for tghis new stauff. what a waste. Now i am back to basics always carching more fish now.
 

SPARRABOS

Sealiner
Kyk jou manne wat groot haaie teiken ek het nie probleem met hul vooruitgang.slides.braid backing.wind on leaders.dis great.hul land reuse haaie.dis wonderlik.ook uitstekende nuwe stokke met trekkrag en awesome katrolle met capacity en dragg wat skrik vir niks.die vooruitgang is uitstekend.dink net vir eetvis werk ou metodes nog 100 bedonerd.nuwe goeie hoeke is great.ek veral mal oor gamakatsu se hoeke op rotse so tussen deur jou kendals.ook lekker om 20/40 en speedie met saltist saltiga trini of torium te upgrade alhoewel nie regtig nodig want daai was. ak47 s van hengel.ook lekker om nuwe stokke te try.lyn wel speedspin en maxima op klippe is nog steeds daar.vir surf double x. siglon kingfisher ook jare se diens.wats nou lekkerder as hmg ligte stok op surf.ja en braid het sy plek ook.maar hoef nie te veel te verander nie vir eetvis.hou daai rugsak so eenvoudig moontlik.aas is seker die belangrikste.wurms mossel rotsaas prawns probeer maar self versamel so vars moontlik.jou strepie seekat harder self vang.backup bloederige pillie en vars mackies en melkwit tjokka.dan as kondisies reg is moet jy vis kry.
 

grootvis

Sealiner
Learn to modify and rebuild your own rods, as I have, and it makes all the difference to your fishing, instead of buying new, just change the look of what you have, and its great fun!!!!.....
 
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